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I am Granada and am about to declare on Portugal. They are allied to Spain and Milan and France is my ally.
In the call allies part of the declare war screen, France is clearly marked as most likely will accept. However, France is also listed as DoTF and will protect Portugal.
Anyone know for sure which way they will flip?
Thanks.
 

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I would say almost certainly Portugal. The game prioritises allying the defender over the attacker, so while France would join your side if Portugal attacked you they would join Portugals side if you attacked them. I'm not sure if that works with defender of the faith, though I would imagine it does.
 

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I think the only situation where a country joins you in an offensive war against a common ally is if they have huge trust in you.
That usually requires high diplomatic reputation (probably 10+) and very high trust.

I'll give you an example from my Moldavia game. I was allied with Bohemia since the start of the game (they helped me gain my independence). So since ~1446 or so we were allied and we fought in every war together. Both in my offensive wars and in their offensive/defensive ones. As a result I had maxed out trust from them and they joined me in wars which were not even relevant for them (Moldavia attacking the Timurids, for example), and if I'm not mistaken even 1 or 2 wars were they were allied with my target.

Unfortunately I am not 100% sure since I had a ton of wars that game, but I remember being quite surprised at the time. We probably need other players or a dev to confirm.
 

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I've wondered this same question. I just play it safe and assume they will join defensive side, ironman games you care about are not a good place to conduct "what if"scenarios. :)
 

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France will get asked by Portugal before they get asked by you. They will only join you if by some miraculous reason, they decline Portugal's call. I don't even think such a hypothetical situation is possible. Crushing dept and/or war exhaustion would be required and would likely cause France to dishonour your call too.

Well, in the case of a DotF call they could also refuse due to liking you and absolutely hating your target but that's certainly not something to count on.
 

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France will get asked by Portugal before they get asked by you. They will only join you if by some miraculous reason, they decline Portugal's call. I don't even think such a hypothetical situation is possible. Crushing dept and/or war exhaustion would be required and would likely cause France to dishonour your call too.

It's possible to block France's ability to join and still have them join. I did it as Aztec before I betrayed them in Sunset Invasion (I was Protestant). This can rarely happen if the AI is willing to join a 2nd war while another one is active, as if you're on the same side as France they *can't* join against you and thus will answer your CTA.

There's one other oddity I observed in that game. If I declared on a Catholic CN with Catholic France DotF, they would join my CTA (ironically the CB was cleansing heresy ^_^). Later on, when declaring on Castile directly, France still had the green check...but joined *neither* side and we kept the alliance. There's some strange stuff going on there with DotF, or maybe it was just cleansing heresy screwing with it, not sure, but I certainly was able to bring France in on a member of its own faith via declaring on a CN that was also of its own faith, which in theory shouldn't work.
 

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I am Granada and am about to declare on Portugal. They are allied to Spain and Milan and France is my ally.
In the call allies part of the declare war screen, France is clearly marked as most likely will accept. However, France is also listed as DoTF and will protect Portugal.
Anyone know for sure which way they will flip?
Thanks.

They will defend Portugal, without question.

What you need to do is either bring France into another war, or wait until France is already at war with Portugal.


I've wondered this same question. I just play it safe and assume they will join defensive side, ironman games you care about are not a good place to conduct "what if"scenarios. :)

This! It's nearly the only way that even quite experienced players can suddenly end up with more than they bargained for. It's the kind of thing I accidentally do when I load up a game in the morning before coffee - not a wise time to play! :eek:o
 

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France will get asked by Portugal before they get asked by you. They will only join you if by some miraculous reason, they decline Portugal's call. I don't even think such a hypothetical situation is possible. Crushing dept and/or war exhaustion would be required and would likely cause France to dishonour your call too.

I had it happen in my very first game with Portugal against Burgundy. As Oblio said, it requires huge trust.