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I hope not and no physical copies delivered before release date. No matter what drm or encryption is used, if the product is delivered anywhere before release it will be pirated before release.

Steam will not crash due to EU4. Its not like this is Sims 5 or Farmville 3.

The game will be pirated regardless, I don't really see the problem. That said, if you pirate this game, and I notice, you'll be strapped on a Galleon for a one-way trip to Australia (Sorry australians, nothing personal)
 

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The game will be pirated regardless, I don't really see the problem. That said, if you pirate this game, and I notice, you'll be strapped on a Galleon for a one-way trip to Australia (Sorry australians, nothing personal)

I dont care if its pirated or not at some point. I care if its pirated before I can get my pre-ordered copy from a digital distributor and I have to read nobodys whining and complaining about stuff that is broken and I am not able to download and play since I still need to wait a week until its released or not. I am Brownbeard and I need to play, whine and complain first!
 

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that only works if you turn on some heavy drm

Really? I always thought the Pre-Load system was separate from the rest of the system. Guess you learn something new every day. :)
 

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I dont care if its pirated or not at some point. I care if its pirated before I can get my pre-ordered copy from a digital distributor and I have to read nobodys whining and complaining about stuff that is broken and I am not able to download and play since I still need to wait a week until its released or not. I am Brownbeard and I need to play, whine and complain first!

So.. you're a pirate who don't like pirates?
 

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The game will be pirated regardless, I don't really see the problem. That said, if you pirate this game, and I notice, you'll be strapped on a Galleon for a one-way trip to Australia (Sorry australians, nothing personal)

And then we will ship you to Indonesia :p (No offence Indonesians). We should not get a pre-load of EUIV, due to the fact someone may crack it and load it on torrent sites, before release, which is something we and, especially Paradox, do not want (I hope that EUIV does not get pirated after release, Paradox really does deserve our support, unlike some companies (coughEAcough)). A demo will be fine, though.
 

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So.. you're a pirate who don't like pirates?

Infidel, I was quite tempted to respond in your rhetoric, but flinging simplistic insults and demagogy is beneath a gentlemans level.
 

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Why not just make it so it preloads everything but the exe?
 

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The game will be, what, 2 GB in size? It will take seconds to download.

And if you live in say, rural Canada where 100kb per second is doing quite good, and 30 per second is more likely?
 

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Strange.

It apparently shows me the tabs for CD-key,DLC but also for things like Workshop and guides.
Can't get my CD key however since it fails(or there is simply not) to connect to the Key server.
But hopefully it will be pre-loadable since sometimes my Internet likes to fuck up when downloading things and right now my internet works.
 

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Really? I always thought the Pre-Load system was separate from the rest of the system. Guess you learn something new every day. :)

Well, if people are able to download the game before release, there needs to be some sort of DRM to prevent them from playing it, and more importantly to prevent them from uploading it on pirate networks.

If the game was on the pirate bay before consumers even got their keys it would badly hurt the sales.
 

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Well, if people are able to download the game before release, there needs to be some sort of DRM to prevent them from playing it, and more importantly to prevent them from uploading it on pirate networks.

If the game was on the pirate bay before consumers even got their keys it would badly hurt the sales.

My comment completely flew past you it seems. Johan's argument was that a game without Steamworks DRM, would apparantly not be Pre-Loadable, to which I responded that I wasn't aware of this fact. I have always assumed that the Pre-Load protection was a separate system that had nothing to do with whether your game was Steamworks protected or not.
 

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Well, if people are able to download the game before release, there needs to be some sort of DRM to prevent them from playing it, and more importantly to prevent them from uploading it on pirate networks.

If the game was on the pirate bay before consumers even got their keys it would badly hurt the sales.

Wait, why can't they just exclude the exe file or something to prevent people from playing it?