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Originally posted by 50cal
"Umm... why does everyone feel the need to hardcode D-Day? "

Cause the AI doesnt feel the need or understand the tactical importance of a Second front. The second front in this game is critical to the survival of the USSR. It has to be hardcoded. Otherwise the AI will simply resort to landing an armor division here and there and getting chopped up.

I think D-Day should be hardcoded. Maybe on June 5th, but sometime in 1944. Aswell I think Dieppe and an Anvil event aswell.

"D-Day didn't have to happen in real life. America didn't even have to join the war. "

But some kind of second front event has to happen. Cause the AI is nothing but a set of random actions and triggers. You have to use events to steer it in a historical/tactical direction like in the EU series.

Only problem is that we would have 100 guys screaming murder that we are trying to force them into playing a certain way. Believe me there is a lot of people who feels that way.
 

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Originally posted by 50cal
"Umm... why does everyone feel the need to hardcode D-Day? "

Cause the AI doesnt feel the need or understand the tactical importance of a Second front. The second front in this game is critical to the survival of the USSR. It has to be hardcoded. Otherwise the AI will simply resort to landing an armor division here and there and getting chopped up.

I think D-Day should be hardcoded. Maybe on June 5th, but sometime in 1944. Aswell I think Dieppe and an Anvil event aswell.

I also believe there should be an event that ties down, say 10% of all german troops in France. This represents real life threats from england that the AI normally doesnt recognize.


"D-Day didn't have to happen in real life. America didn't even have to join the war. "

But some kind of second front event has to happen. Cause the AI is nothing but a set of random actions and triggers. You have to use events to steer it in a historical/tactical direction like in the EU series.

The problem stated here is that teh ai should set up and get a naval invasion and a front going. Adding a D-Day event will solve nothin gat all towards that.
 

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Originally posted by BiB
The problem stated here is that teh ai should set up and get a naval invasion and a front going. Adding a D-Day event will solve nothin gat all towards that.


Well it could be done like I said few posts up..... I have a feeling no one is reading my posts.



Barney: Hey, Homer, you're late for English!
Homer: Pffft, English. Who needs that. I'm never going to England.


IS it because of the quotes?
 

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Originally posted by GreatWarrior
Well it could be done like I said few posts up..... I have a feeling no one is reading my posts.



Barney: Hey, Homer, you're late for English!
Homer: Pffft, English. Who needs that. I'm never going to England.


IS it because of the quotes?

I read it, it just falls under teh critique I posted in my previous post.
 

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D-Day event

Why would anyone want a D-Day event? The game would then be too predicitable unlike all of Paradox's games. The object of this genre is "grand strategy" and being able to "change history".What if the Allies didn't invade france? The game would be called Hearts of Iron-D-Day. I don't think talented people like the developers of this game would paint themselves into a corner after their previous masterpieces! That is my humble opinion, it is a WW2 grand strategy game NOT Axis vs. Allies:rolleyes:
 
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Originally posted by BiB
Which are meaningless when it comes to making such judgements, sommink u would know if u have any idea bout the insides of the beta ;)

Sorry, BiB, I disagree. Most of the issues raised in these forums I can accept as not being a beta issue, but something like the AI not performing a D-Day? Hmmm... there are some holes which are just too big. Thus there are two possibilites. Beta testers ignored it or beta's complained and the developers decided it didn't matter for now.

It would be like having a spaceship in the game and no-one pointing it out. Opertaion Overlord is a massive part of WW2, if not for the defeat of Nazis Germany, for limiting a Soviet advance across Europe. It is no minor feature.
 
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"Only problem is that we would have 100 guys screaming murder that we are trying to force them into playing a certain way. Believe me there is a lot of people who feels that way."

Screaming bloody murder? I for one wouldnt. I would like to think that the back door could be kicked down anytime whilst fighting russia.

Besides, those 100 people probably enjoy steamrolling the AI retards. The vast majority of us dont. Remember what made EU successful. It stuck to some of its historical roots using these sort of events. But it made it so things didnt get to far outta line and too ridiculous. You didnt see Nubia conquer scotland or settle the new world. If you did, that kind of thing would utterly repulse a gamer like me and have kept me away from EU2 (although I admit, I did see a few wierd things in EU but nothing too unbelievable. Like say, AI Romania conquering 2/3 of europe.)

But dont rush it. Give paradox time. There good people. Great game, great concept. Were just missing a good Single player opponent. I cant wait for the day AI is obselete and everything can be done on mplayer. But until broadband is as accessible as lightbulbs, it wont happen.
 

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Originally posted by whyamihere
Sorry, BiB, I disagree. Most of the issues raised in these forums I can accept as not being a beta issue, but something like the AI not performing a D-Day? Hmmm... there are some holes which are just too big. Thus there are two possibilites. Beta testers ignored it or beta's complained and the developers decided it didn't matter for now.

It would be like having a spaceship in the game and no-one pointing it out. Opertaion Overlord is a massive part of WW2, if not for the defeat of Nazis Germany, for limiting a Soviet advance across Europe. It is no minor feature.

U misunderstand me. I say the AI shoudl be able to do it. I4m saying here though an event would do fuck all to really achieve that happening.
 
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Re: D-Day event

Originally posted by Lord Hammer
Why would anyone want a D-Day event?

I think we'd all like to limit events if we can, the question is more one of, "why doesn't the AI invade?". If this is a problem to code, then I would strongly support an event, which could have a set of triggers, thus limiting its implementation.
 
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Originally posted by BiB
U misunderstand me. I say the AI shoudl be able to do it. I4m saying here though an event would do fuck all to really achieve that happening.

Then our wires are crossed, because I never said anything about having a specific D-Day event, but was commenting on the lack of an invasion.
 
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Originally posted by GreatWarrior
Acually broadband is accessible as lightbulbs.

Depends where you are. ;)

Originally posted by 50cal
But dont rush it. Give paradox time. There good people. Great game, great concept. Were just missing a good Single player opponent. I cant wait for the day AI is obselete and everything can be done on mplayer.

Entirely. While it might sound like I'm laying in - which I am to a certain extent - I'm certainly not thinking of the developers as anything but great artists. If I'm still complaining about the same problems in several months time, then I'll start to bitch, but I don't that'll happen.

Ohh, I agree with the rest of your post too. :)
 
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"What if the Allies didn't invade france? "

Thats not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is

"The allies totally have the manpower, the strength, and the ships. Yet they DONT invade france. Why?"

This leaves me as a gamer puzzled. As germany, I have only 2 Corps in france and airforces. This is a really week force yet I see the AI with huge stacks of troops just sitting on the island. They also have total control of the sea. Nothing. I waited...waited...Finally when 1945 came and moscow did surrender and the middle east fell I started the game over as italy. I was really disappointed. I viewed myself very vulnerable, and I would invited an AI assult on my french coast. I would have felt squeezed and overstretched. I like the feeling, scraping troops together to form new units etc...like what germany really had to deal with.
 

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Originally posted by whyamihere
Depends where you are. ;)

Yeah maybe lol


Maybe I should try HOI in MP, I only played MP in EU2 once and quit after like 5 minutes becuase the cheat codes worked, and I didn't want to cheat.....


So final thoughts on the D-Day: There shouldn't be an event but the AI should be more encuraged to attack the Axis to open up another front. And maybe letting the Allies win.
 

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Originally posted by 50cal
"What if the Allies didn't invade france? "

Thats not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is

"The allies totally have the manpower, the strength, and the ships. Yet they DONT invade france. Why?"

This leaves me as a gamer puzzled. As germany, I have only 2 Corps in france and airforces. This is a really week force yet I see the AI with huge stacks of troops just sitting on the island. They also have total control of the sea. Nothing. I waited...waited...Finally when 1945 came and moscow did surrender and the middle east fell I started the game over as italy. I was really disappointed. I viewed myself very vulnerable, and I would invited an AI assult on my french coast. I would have felt squeezed and overstretched. I like the feeling, scraping troops together to form new units etc...like what germany really had to deal with.

What u describe is a general ai problem, adding an event would fix nothing.
 

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Originally posted by 50cal

Screaming bloody murder? I for one wouldnt. I would like to think that the back door could be kicked down anytime whilst fighting russia.

Besides, those 100 people probably enjoy steamrolling the AI retards. The vast majority of us dont. Remember what made EU successful. It stuck to some of its historical roots using these sort of events. But it made it so things didnt get to far outta line and too ridiculous. You didnt see Nubia conquer scotland or settle the new world. If you did, that kind of thing would utterly repulse a gamer like me and have kept me away from EU2 (although I admit, I did see a few wierd things in EU but nothing too unbelievable. Like say, AI Romania conquering 2/3 of europe.)

But dont rush it. Give paradox time. There good people. Great game, great concept. Were just missing a good Single player opponent. I cant wait for the day AI is obselete and everything can be done on mplayer. But until broadband is as accessible as lightbulbs, it wont happen.

Your vast majority might be smaller than you think. And 100 people was just an estimate on how many angry posts the one writing the event would recieve. The community seems to be pretty much evenly split into the sides that on one side wants to have an event for everything so it will go down "historically" and on the other side that resent any interference and wants to do away with all events.