Will Austria get a Focus Tree at some point?

[Halloisthatso]

Hi, that is my first post.
My question is: Will Austria get a Focus Tree?
Because Italy will be the last major nation to get a Focus Tree there are not really any nations that are neccesary to Update.
Maybe they will include Ethiopia in the DLC but who will be aswell in the DLC?
I know the Italy DLC is far away because Paradox just recently released NSB but I just want to know your suggestions what you think will be in the Italy DLC.
Thank you in advance for the answers!

 

[Koba133]

I think it could go both ways :

either Italy Switzerland Belgium Ireland (and Austria, Albania ?)

or Italy Egypt Iraq Iran.

 

[Halloisthatso]

Ich denke, es könnte in beide Richtungen gehen:

entweder Italien Schweiz Belgien Irland (und Österreich, Albanien ?)

oder Italien Ägypten Irak Iran.

Thanks for the suggestion, maybe all these countries get one ;D

 

[Pale Blue]

Countries who's main purpose is to stop existing before the war like Austria shouldn't get a focus tree until countries like Siam or Finnland got one.

 

[Halloisthatso]

Countries who's main purpose is to stop existing before the war like Austria shouldn't get a focus tree until countries like Siam or Finnland got one.

Yes but Czechoslovakia also got one so those countries should get one too to maybe save them against these major countries, because the majors become stronger and stronger through the national focus tree and like that a power gap is getting bigger and the countries then can't defend themselves anymore... But thanks for the suggestion!

 

[PorkchopSandwiches247]

I wouldnt hate it, but it wouldnt be my first choice. There would be very few paths that would be even somewhat grounded in realism.

Not that the game is by any means strictly realistic when it comes to alt paths…but imho the best ones are in the realm of possibility in a historic sense.

 

[sdplissken]

LOL, there are so many countries like Finland and Italy…. Sweden is probably more interesting a play through. But Austria? I wonder how fun Brazil or Argentina could be sometimes to be honest but they are complete memes.

 

[Halloisthatso]

LOL, es gibt so viele Länder wie Finnland und Italien…. Schweden ist wahrscheinlich interessanter ein Durchspielen. Aber Österreich? Ich frage mich, wie lustig Brasilien oder Argentinien manchmal sein kann, um ehrlich zu sein, aber sie sind komplette Meme.

Yes there are of course some countries that are more funny to play when they become a national focus tree. And I know nobody really cares about Austria for WWII because they get annexed anyways. But before the Anschluss it was very "exciting" what happend in Austria because the government had to solve so many crisis. It maybe would be very hard to play Austria with a National Focus Tree but I think prewar Austria would be very funny to play with a national Focus Tree... But of course other nations should get one first like Finnland or Brasil!

 

[Halloisthatso]

I wouldnt hate it, but it wouldnt be my first choice. There would be very few paths that would be even somewhat grounded in realism.

Not that the game is by any means strictly realistic when it comes to alt paths…but imho the best ones are in the realm of possibility in a historic sense.

Yes I know what you mean. Austria isn't country who needs a national focus tree. There are other countries that would be more fun to play... I would really like it if Paradox gives every country that exists 1936 a National Focus Tree (But I think that will no happen)

 

[Iskulya]

We're reaching a point of diminishing returns for new countries. There are a few untapped countries that could have a significant impact; Finland, Thailand, and Brazil, but aside from that I don't think there's much use in adding focus trees for increasingly minor countries that had little or even no role in WW2.

In terms of minors, I'd much rather see Canada, India, Australia, Hungary, Romania, and Yugoslavia get do-overs than focus trees for Ireland, Austria, Philippines, Argentina, whatever; or beyond that, Italy, Germany, and Japan. Even Germany and Japan despite having received new focus tree years ago, they're pretty darn primitive compared to what we get these days. Controversial thing to say, I know; there are many around here who believe that they should never receive content ever again unless it's free; but I'd rather pay to see countries that actually had a significant role in WW2 receive good focus trees than Austria, a country that is annexed in 1938 and that I will never play except in 'meme' games. Keep in mind that, as of yesterday I believe, TFV and the Canadian, Indian, and Australian focus trees(plus south africa and NZ, I admit to not caring about them) are now half a decade old. Whining about paradox 'double dipping' in giving these very old focus trees a new rework doesn't cut much ice in my view, but that's just, like, my opinion, man.

Canada, India, and Australia have content that is historical, but shallow and unfun. Hungary and Romania don't even have historical content as far as I'm aware of it. I'm not particularly well versed in Romanian and Hungarian history, but I thought it was the case that neither Ion Antonescu nor Horthy were fascists; that they presided over authoritarian dictatorships in which fascists played second fiddle. It would be cool to see a more proper and historical, non-fascist content for Romania and Hungary. Iron Guard Romania should be alt-history and receive its own content, same with Arrow Cross Hungary. The Arrow Cross isn't even in the game right now, but it's to my understanding that when Horthy sought to capitulate to the Soviets, a German sponsored Arrow Cross coup occurred. Could be a neat thing to see ingame, kind of like the Fatherland Front for Bulgaria. The problem with things like the Fatherland Front and King Michael's coup is that they are too deterministic and railroaded; it doesn't really make sense for them to happen unless the Soviets are winning against the Axis.

 

[Halloisthatso]

We're reaching a point of diminishing returns for new countries. There are a few untapped countries that could have a significant impact; Finland, Thailand, and Brazil, but aside from that I don't think there's much use in adding focus trees for increasingly minor countries that had little or even no role in WW2.

In terms of minors, I'd much rather see Canada, India, Australia, Hungary, Romania, and Yugoslavia get do-overs than focus trees for Ireland, Austria, Philippines, Argentina, whatever; or beyond that, Italy, Germany, and Japan. Even Germany and Japan despite having received new focus tree years ago, they're pretty darn primitive compared to what we get these days. Controversial thing to say, I know; there are many around here who believe that they should never receive content ever again unless it's free; but I'd rather pay to see countries that actually had a significant role in WW2 receive good focus trees than Austria, a country that is annexed in 1938 and that I will never play except in 'meme' games. Keep in mind that, as of yesterday I believe, TFV and the Canadian, Indian, and Australian focus trees(plus south africa and NZ, I admit to not caring about them) are now half a decade old. Whining about paradox 'double dipping' in giving these very old focus trees a new rework doesn't cut much ice in my view, but that's just, like, my opinion, man.

Canada, India, and Australia have content that is historical, but shallow and unfun. Hungary and Romania don't even have historical content as far as I'm aware of it. I'm not particularly well versed in Romanian and Hungarian history, but I thought it was the case that neither Ion Antonescu nor Horthy were fascists; that they presided over authoritarian dictatorships in which fascists played second fiddle. It would be cool to see a more proper and historical, non-fascist content for Romania and Hungary. Iron Guard Romania should be alt-history and receive its own content, same with Arrow Cross Hungary. The Arrow Cross isn't even in the game right now, but it's to my understanding that when Horthy sought to capitulate to the Soviets, a German sponsored Arrow Cross coup occurred. Could be a neat thing to see ingame, kind of like the Fatherland Front for Bulgaria. The problem with things like the Fatherland Front and King Michael's coup is that they are too deterministic and railroaded; it doesn't really make sense for them to happen unless the Soviets are winning against the Axis.

Wow thanks for that long and intense answer! Yeah you're right some of the national Focus are really unhistorical and unrealistic. I think Germany should get a communist way because the communist were also a big role in Germany at the time. I really look forward what Paradox will do next besides Italy.

 

[MattZed]

I could see Austria getting a focus tree with an Italian update. There are just so many "what if the Anschluss didn't happen for reason X" possibilities to explore, especially in response to a change in Italian foreign policy. What if Italy rejoined the Stresa Front to counter Germany? What if Italy negotiated with Germany to have Austria in its sphere of influence? What if the Austrians were successful in securing foreign support for their independence? (especially if they moved away from fascism)

To me, it makes as much if not more sense than having national focus trees for the Baltic nations.

 

[jacekgk]

Me too. I was thinking that Austria deserved for focus tree in (one of) the last country pack, but I have changed my mind. I think that 80-90 % of us tried at least once to safe Austria, Ethiopia or Albania. Maybe it could be better choince for country with italian reworking then country from Middle East (but Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia still could be interesting as well).

 

[Cavalry]

focus tree mods is quite plenty on Steam

 

[Halloisthatso]

I could see Austria getting a focus tree with an Italian update. There are just so many "what if the Anschluss didn't happen for reason X" possibilities to explore, especially in response to a change in Italian foreign policy. What if Italy rejoined the Stresa Front to counter Germany? What if Italy negotiated with Germany to have Austria in its sphere of influence? What if the Austrians were successful in securing foreign support for their independence? (especially if they moved away from fascism)

To me, it makes as much if not more sense than having national focus trees for the Baltic nations.

Yes this sounds possible. Because maybe Austria wasn't interesting in WWII but it would be so nice when Austria has more possibilities to resist the Anschluss besides only say no. And Italy was guaranteeing them until 1936 and Hungary Italy and Austria had the Pact of Rome, or like you said the Stresa Front when Italy is moving away from Germany... I think Italy will get a focus tree where they can say, I choose Germany, I choose Pact of Rome, I choose Stresa Front, I choose to conquer all my old lands back without allies or I choose Communist. Anyways thanks for the suggestion!

 

[Hoi Neuling]

Maybe, maybe not.

Fact is that South-America [Main-Country / Minor-Country Colonys and Major-Minors], Skandinavia [Denmark and his Colonys, Sweden, Norway and Finalnd], missing States in Asia [Main-Country / Minor-Country Colonys and forgotten Major-Minors] and some Major-Minors in Africa as well as Arabia incl. Main-Country / Minor Country Colonys get Focusses. In that Case Italy [Africa / Arabia] get finished too.

 

[Figgu]

There could be a Adriatic Sea update where Italy, Austria and Yugoslavia get reworked, because quite frankly the Yugo focus tree is a joke and you all know the memes about italy. I agree that Finland also needs a focus tree, but I think they are planning a scandinavia/finland update already so just wait. Its true that sometimes the focus tree priorities are somewhat questionable like baltics instead of finland or portugal instead of italy.