Will all Tank Models Have the Same Stats?

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In real life the tank models of each of the various powers were pretty disssimilar, but will the tanks in HOI4 all have the same stats? For example, will the German Panzer 4 have the same stock stats as a Russian T-34? Previously tanks were just generic "Medium Armor" etc, but now that we're putting names to models, will tanks have dissimilar stats?
 
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I don't know for sure, but I would assume they have the same stats.

The names are flavour, but the classification (medium tank 2, Heavy tank 1, etc) will determine the stats, and I assume they will be similar across the board.
 
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Yes they will have the same base stats but there are so many things that can effect stats so it is rather unlikely that Soviet and Germany will use tanks with exact the same stats.
 
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Every tank, plane or ship of the same class have the same stats. So a german "Medium Tank II" (like a Panzer IV) will have the same stats as a russian Medium Tank II or an american one.
What distinguish them and change stats are the company you put in research (for example, if I remember, Porsche gives a bonus to armor but a malus in reliability), making a variant using XP and maybe (not sure for this), doctrines.
 
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Every tank, plane or ship of the same class have the same stats. So a german "Medium Tank II" (like a Panzer IV) will have the same stats as a russian Medium Tank II or an american one.
What distinguish them and change stats are the company you put in research (for example, if I remember, Porsche gives a bonus to armor but a malus in reliability), making a variant using XP and maybe (not sure for this), doctrines.


Question on the variants. How does the upgrading to a new variant work? For example if I choose to spend some xp to up gun my PzKpfw IV, will this create a separate stockpile for the new variant and upgrading working the same as if you had unlocked a higher tier tank?
 

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From the tech tree I believe that all tanks will have different stats. you aren't going to see a type 95 beating T-34 tanks in 1941. On June 6th you will have the answer.
 
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Everyone use the same tech tree with the names and pictures are just for flavor.

But then this comes to play:
Yes they will have the same base stats but there are so many things that can effect stats so it is rather unlikely that Soviet and Germany will use tanks with exact the same stats.
 

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Question on the variants. How does the upgrading to a new variant work? For example if I choose to spend some xp to up gun my PzKpfw IV, will this create a separate stockpile for the new variant and upgrading working the same as if you had unlocked a higher tier tank?
When you make a variant it will not upgrade your existing tanks but i belive it uses the same stockpile.
 
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When you make a variant it will not upgrade your existing tanks but i belive it uses the same stockpile.
But if it uses the same stockpiles it would mean that all tanks already in that stockpile will immediately convert to the newer variant, which will slowly get parsed out to the troops when cassualties are taken, since it does not upgrade?
 
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Old tanks will not be converted into new variant. Also you can have several differen't variants of the same tank each having their own stockpile.

You can tell your divisions which tank variant to use so you can one variant for your motorised infantry and one that operate alone for example:)
 
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Every tank, plane or ship of the same class have the same stats. So a german "Medium Tank II" (like a Panzer IV) will have the same stats as a russian Medium Tank II or an american one.
What distinguish them and change stats are the company you put in research (for example, if I remember, Porsche gives a bonus to armor but a malus in reliability), making a variant using XP and maybe (not sure for this), doctrines.

This is my understanding as well. Your tanks become unique by the company researching them, and by spending your army-XP to mod the different parts, weapon, armour, engine etc.
 
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This is my understanding as well. Your tanks become unique by the company researching them, and by spending your army-XP to mod the different parts, weapon, armour, engine etc.

Exactly.

Note that when you make a variant, it doesn't upgrade your actual tank. So if you make a variant of the Panzer IV (called Panzer IV B for example), then you'll have both in your equipment stockpile, the Panzer IV won't upgrade to the Panzer IV B.
 
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Note that first you need to create a variant of the existing model, then you need to switch the model or variant that your factories are building. As I understand it, you can have one factory still building the old model and another switched over to the new variant, then have a third factory producing the next tech level model or variant when it becomes available, each of which will require its own stockpile.

I think the ultimate question is: can we produce and stockpile as many different models and variants as Germany did historically? I can't even venture a guess as to how many that would be, but just the number of different tanks has to be staggering. The Panzer III went all the way through the "M" and "N" variants. Add in all of the Jagdpanzer and Panzerjaeger variants, assault guns, self-propelled artillery, and self-propelled AA types, as well as command and recovery variations, and you're into several pages. Picture trying to stock parts for all of that, and it becomes pretty obvious why Germany had supply issues, even if they could have upgraded the rail systems and provided fuel to transport everything.
 

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I hope that is possible. A good challange and more historical accurate than models just beeing bypassed by better techs. I also find charm in having units in reserve with actuall reserve-equipment!