Wiley Archbishops and a Sandy German Capital

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Well I'm playing the beta as apulia/naples and have gotten all off the north african provinces that make up Leptis Magnus and Cyrencia. So being the devout man that I am, I give all of leptis magnus to the church as an archbishopric. Less than a year later the man i appointed to the archbishopric dies and a new hungarian archbishop is appointed. not long after I get a pop-up saying that a vassal has defected. and it is that damn hungarian running leptis magnus who took all 3 of my provinces away...

My prestige and piety were in the 1000 range... Am I missing something here?




As a side note I saw the King of Germany enjoying his new sandy capital....

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Why wouldn't archbishop want to start a new realm for the glory of God in Leptis Magna?

 

[unmerged(36722)]

Why wouldn't archbishop want to start a new realm for the glory of God in Leptis Magna?

Thats true. Who am I to question a man of the cloth...

 

[Ciçatrix]

The german king wanted a vacation?
That is a very strange placement for a capital, it isn't even inside the natural Kingdom of Germany.

The vassal maybe defected because of low loyalty, maybe you had very bad traits and reputation.

 

[unmerged(6777)]

The German king moved his capital because (presumably) the new province was richer than his existing capital. I agree that it really shouldn't be happening -- in fact I actually thought that it wouldn't an longer since I was under the belief that the captial would always be in a province that is naturally (default province.csv) part of the realm unless no such demesne province exists. I'll have to take a look into that.

The reason for your vassal breaking free is likely a new set of events that we added in the April 1st beta. For realms that include certain regional territories, the liege will need very good stats and/or the vassal will need very poor stats in order to eliminate the possibility of the vassal breaking free. This is pretty historic. It wasn't until several hundred years later that true "Empires" -- of the globe-spanning variety -- could be held together with any degree of reliability.

 

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The German king moved his capital because (presumably) the new province was richer than his existing capital. I agree that it really shouldn't be happening -- in fact I actually thought that it wouldn't an longer since I was under the belief that the captial would always be in a province that is naturally (default province.csv) part of the realm unless no such demesne province exists. I'll have to take a look into that.

I didn't verify but isn't all of north africa pretty much dark red in the economic mapmode? Oh wait... I think that was his only demesne province... he ended up going on crusade down in that area, got a few provinces and then lost all but one. so he must have given all his other demesne provinces that he had in germany away as counties or duchies. It does look like wurtemburg is owned by bohemia. He could have gotten into a war with bohemia and lost his only province in germany due to peace deals...

The reason for your vassal breaking free is likely a new set of events that we added in the April 1st beta. For realms that include certain regional territories, the liege will need very good stats and/or the vassal will need very poor stats in order to eliminate the possibility of the vassal breaking free. This is pretty historic. It wasn't until several hundred years later that true "Empires" -- of the globe-spanning variety -- could be held together with any degree of reliability.

That is a good idea.

 

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I didn't verify but isn't all of north africa pretty much dark red in the economic mapmode? Oh wait... I think that was his only demesne province... he ended up going on crusade down in that area, got a few provinces and then lost all but one. so he must have given all his other demesne provinces that he had in germany away as counties or duchies. It does look like wurtemburg is owned by bohemia. He could have gotten into a war with bohemia and lost his only province in germany due to peace deals...

That would explain it. I believe that the current code will place the demesne capital in the richest province that has that title as a default in the province.csv. If no such province exists then it would go to the highest province in the realm.

 

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The reason for your vassal breaking free is likely a new set of events that we added in the April 1st beta. For realms that include certain regional territories, the liege will need very good stats and/or the vassal will need very poor stats in order to eliminate the possibility of the vassal breaking free. This is pretty historic. It wasn't until several hundred years later that true "Empires" -- of the globe-spanning variety -- could be held together with any degree of reliability.

Coming back to this, In a new game i just took much of the holy land and am wary of handing out duchies in the area. What are the triggers for said events and what stat really affects it?

 

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Coming back to this, In a new game i just took much of the holy land and am wary of handing out duchies in the area. What are the triggers for said events and what stat really affects it?

These...

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# Catholic vassals in Middle East or North Africa break free from distant lieges

character_event = {
	id = 6102

	picture = "event_claim"

	trigger = {
		condition = { type = is_vassal }
		condition = { type = religion value = catholic }
		condition = { type = not
			value = { type = atwar }
		}
		condition = { type = not
			value = { type = trait value = modest }
		}
		condition = { type = age value = 18 }
		condition = { type = or
			condition = { type = and
				condition = { type = region value = Middle_East }
				condition = { type = capital
					condition = { type = region value = Middle_East }
				}
				condition = { type = liege
					condition = { type = capital
						condition = { type = not
							value = { type = region value = Middle_East }
							value = { type = region value = Asia_Minor }
							value = { type = area value = 780 }
							value = { type = area value = 789 }
							value = { type = area value = 790 }
							value = { type = area value = 803 }
						}
					}
				}
			}
			condition = { type = and
				condition = { type = region value = North_Africa }
				condition = { type = or
					condition = { type = and
						condition = { type = capital
							condition = { type = or
								condition = { type = area value = 821 }
								condition = { type = area value = 828 }
								condition = { type = area value = 831 }
								condition = { type = area value = 837 }
								condition = { type = area value = 839 }
								condition = { type = area value = 847 }
								condition = { type = area value = 848 }
							}
						}
						condition = { type = liege
							condition = { type = capital
								condition = { type = not
									value = { type = region value = Spain }
									value = { type = region value = North_Africa }
								}
							}
						}
					}
					condition = { type = and
						condition = { type = capital
							condition = { type = or
								condition = { type = area value = 815 }
								condition = { type = area value = 810 }
								condition = { type = area value = 805 }
							}
						}
						condition = { type = liege
							condition = { type = capital
								condition = { type = not
									value = { type = area value = 339 }
									value = { type = area value = 334 }
									value = { type = region value = North_Africa }
								}
							}
						}
					}
					condition = { type = and
						condition = { type = capital
							condition = { type = or
								condition = { type = area value = 780 }
								condition = { type = area value = 789 }
								condition = { type = area value = 790 }
								condition = { type = area value = 803 }
							}
						}
						condition = { type = liege
							condition = { type = capital
								condition = { type = not
									value = { type = area value = 780 }
									value = { type = area value = 789 }
									value = { type = area value = 790 }
									value = { type = area value = 803 }
									value = { type = area value = 815 }
									value = { type = area value = 810 }
									value = { type = area value = 805 }
									value = { type = region value = Middle_East }
								}
							}
						}
					}
				}
			}
		}
		condition = { type = liege
			condition = { type = not
				value = { type = diplomacy value = 9 }
				value = { type = chancellor_csc
					condition = { type = diplomacy value = 12 }
				}
				value = { type = atwar }
			}
		}
	}

	mean_time_to_happen = {
		months = 600

		modifier = {
			condition = { type = duchy }
			factor = 0.25
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = has_vassal }
			factor = 0.5
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = is_married }
			factor = 0.75
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = crusade }
			condition = { type = or
				condition = { type = and
					condition = { type = or
						condition = { type = target value = 774 }
						condition = { type = target value = 764 }
						condition = { type = target value = 802 }
					}
					condition = { type = capital
						condition = { type = or
							condition = { type = region value = middle_east }
							condition = { type = area value = 780 }
							condition = { type = area value = 789 }
							condition = { type = area value = 790 }
							condition = { type = area value = 803 }
						}
					}
				}
				condition = { type = and
					condition = { type = or
						condition = { type = target value = 340 }
						condition = { type = target value = 817 }
					}
					condition = { type = capital
						condition = { type = or
							condition = { type = area value = 815 }
							condition = { type = area value = 810 }
							condition = { type = area value = 805 }
						}
					}
				}
				condition = { type = and
					condition = { type = or
						condition = { type = target value = 181 }
						condition = { type = target value = 197 }
						condition = { type = target value = 160 }
						condition = { type = target value = 171 }
						condition = { type = target value = 165 }
						condition = { type = target value = 199 }
					}
					condition = { type = capital
						condition = { type = or
							condition = { type = area value = 821 }
							condition = { type = area value = 828 }
							condition = { type = area value = 831 }
							condition = { type = area value = 837 }
							condition = { type = area value = 839 }
							condition = { type = area value = 847 }
							condition = { type = area value = 848 }
						}
					}
				}
			}
			factor = 5.0
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = martial value = 8 }
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = martial value = 12 }
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = stewardship value = 8 }
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = stewardship value = 12 }
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = diplomacy value = 8 }
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = diplomacy value = 12 }
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = trait value = proud }
			factor = 0.8
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = trait value = selfish }
			factor = 0.8
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = liege
				condition = { type = or
					condition = { type = diplomacy value = 7 }
					condition = { type = chancellor_csc
						condition = { type = diplomacy value = 10 }
					}
				}
			}
			factor = 1.2
		}
		modifier = {
			condition = { type = liege
				condition = { type = not
					value = { type = diplomacy value = 5 }
				}
				condition = { type = not
					value = { type = chancellor_csc
						condition = { type = diplomacy value = 7 }
					}
				}
			}
			factor = 0.5
		}
	}

	action_a = {
		ai_chance = 99
		effect = { type = trigger for = liege value = 6103 }
		effect = { type = add_title_claim value = liege }
		effect = { type = independence }
		effect = { type = loyalty value = 1.0 }
		effect = { type = prestige value = 50 }
	}
	action_b = {
		ai_chance = 1
		effect = { type = loyalty value = 0.2 }
		effect = { type = prestige value = -20 }
		effect = { type = piety value = 20 }
		effect = { type = add_trait value = modest }
	}
}

# Reaction event for liege
character_event = {
	id = 6103

	picture = "event_intrigue"

	immidiate = {
		effect = { type = prestige value = -10 }
	}
}

 

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Ahh.. Excellent. Thanks a bunch.

 

[stnylan]

MrT

It may be that I'm reading that event wrong (I'm a dunce for event-reading) but does that also apply the other way? So if you have juggled your capital over to the ME would vassals back home (wherever that might be) also break away from you?

 

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I think perhaps you're misreading part of the trigger conditions. The event will fire only if the vassal fulfills one of the trigger conditions - thus the vassal must be in the middle east or somewhere in north africa for the event to fire. If you (as a liege) have jumped your capital over to the middle east or north africa then a vassal of yours who lives nearby would cease to think about breaking away (to avoid breaking up the KoJ or any other catholic realm that forms down there).

At the time that this event was being planned, Byakhiam and I discussed an extended set of similar events to cover all cases where a liege and vassal are separated by great distances. We decided that we'd start with just a few special cases to simulate the formation of historical crusader states, and to break up moslem realms that manage to gain a toehold in Europe. Assuming that these intial ones that Byak scripted work out as planned, we'll consider additional events to cover cases where a vassal and liege are separated by great distances elsewhere in the world.

 

[stnylan]

More than likely. I had enough trouble what was going on in EU2 events, CK quite frequently goes right over my head