Widows burning and others problems a post-mortem

[moscal]

In Hinduism, few pagans regions and few cultures was practice burning widows after death husband. Sometimes this was voluntary, sometimes not. Accepting the widow could give a bonuses, if the widow was wife of great lord (eg. MA for kings of unreformed pagans; bonus to the opinion of priests and church taxes). Ofc family of widows will not be happy, new ruler can lose a talented woman etc.

Often death of great ruler was often source of internal chaos. Many vassals in early times of new rule sought the path to independence, the creation of a new party, the introduction of an alternate heir or the beginning of an internal war; neighbors took the opportunity to take revenge or conquer. In EU series we have "-1 stability" but in CK2 not - often succession is peaceful and non problematic. I would introduce chance (eg. 50%) to some punishment to the relationship in early period and/or loss of soldiers in holdings.

Even bigger problems take place after death in battle. So next maluses.

Rumors of death were also problematic. Eg. after Battle of Stilo the Otton II was declared dead so anti-emperor faction was formed, which after a real death, could more quickly try worked and in Polabie had place great slavic riot (which lead to independence Polabie and many destroys in east German settlements).

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Most successions were fairly peaceful.

The others already have mechanics to model them (revolts, pretender factions, demands to step aside in favour of your cousin Dwayne the dim but easily manipulated, invasions), and the council is "discontent" and prone to factions, revolts, and interfering in the ruler's attempts to govern for a couple of years after any succession.

In general vassals will not like the new ruler as much as the old one (short versus long reign, lack of friendship bonuses), and so available realm levies will already go down.

 

[moscal]

Most successions were fairly peaceful.

I analyzed the example of early Poland and early HRE.

HRE
Otto I die - 7 years fight with german vassals (leaded by Henry II Quarrelsome) and old slavic tributaries (Poland and Bohemia) for the Otto II and after pacification had French invasion (by Lotar). Otto II die - again Henry II Quarrelsome try make himself as better candidate to new ruler (when he was a regent) and he almost led to a civil war (therefore he was forced to give up regency). Otto III die - great fights in HRE, even polish ruler (Bolslav) have claims to HRE; ~10 years of wars (with Germans, Poles, Italians) for Henry II Holy before coronation to Emperor. Henry II Holy die - 2 years interregnum, next election of Conrad II and this lead to great unrest (and even riots) in Italy and Swabia. Conrad II die - succession was peaceful.

Poland
Mieszko I die - Bolesław I the Brave banished all stepbrothers and stepmother. Bolesław I die - Mieszko II; after the failed invasion on Saxony, the opposition is making big problems, the pagan rebellion, the invasion of all neighbors. Mieszko II was dethroned - new ruler Bezprym murders almost the entire old aristocracy. Constans anarchy.

Even France.
Louis V die - war Hugh Capet with Charles (Duke of Lower Lorraine). Hugh die - Robert have war with Otto Wilhelm and great clergy opposition againts Robert. Louis VII get power - Orlean and Poitiers make riots for higher autonom for cities plus Louis have few problems with clergs.

 

[Chlodio]

Most successions were fairly peaceful.

True for non-sovereign monarchies, but less so with the sovereign ones... Just look at England:

William I: Civil war between William II and Robert
William II: Civil war between Henry I and Robert
Henry I: Civil war between Stephen and Matilda
Stephen: Peaceful
Henry II: Peaceful
Richard I: Civil war between John and Arthur
John: Civil war between Henry III and Louis
Henry III: Peaceful
Edward I: Peaceful
Edward II: Overthrown
Edward III: Peaceful
Richard II: Overthrown
Henry IV: Peaceful
Henry V: Peaceful
Henry VI: Overthrown
Edward IV: Unstable
Edward V: Overthrown
Richard III: Overthrown
Henry VII: Peaceful​

Meaning 42% of successions before the 16th century were peaceful.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

England is a little more complicated than most, I have to admit.

There are a lot of claims and counter claims.

Still, the point that they're all already modelled stands.
Almost all are claimant wars, with John/Louis/Henry III being an excommunication/papally sanctioned invasion.


There's no need to add extra "punishments" for having a succession.

 

[moscal]

There's no need to add extra "punishments" for having a succession.

IMO - yes. Because current successions are too often haven't trouble.

Great problems had big muslim states, because high fighting for the throne, factionalism etc. Also had Byzantium. But in game often "relax".

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

IMO - yes. Because current successions are too often haven't trouble.

I'm getting some sort of trouble about every other succession.
Most I can head off by shutting down factions, but not all.