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Lamprey

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To preface this, I've never actually had the independence faction revolt (I tend to breed/educate good rulers). So it's possible I'm missing something. But:

From what I understand, when the independence faction is refused and they rebel, they:

1. Get free doomstacks of troops to help them.
2. Wars against them aren't scored fairly; they get 7% for each province occupied, you get 0.5% or some such nonsense.
3. Once they do become independent you get strong claims on their titles.

Given the above, why would you ever bother refusing their ultimatum? Wouldn't it make much more sense to always let them go, DoW them the next day and take it all back? You can do one or more wars depending on how strong you are, instead of always fighting them all. Then there's the added benefit of the reconquered vassals losing their titles in the war, saving you the effort of revocation.
 

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If you die before you reclaim all your strong claims you're pretty screwed, that's the only reason I can think of

As long as you declare war to press the claims, I think your heir gets the claims.
 

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Given the above, why would you ever bother refusing their ultimatum?

I ask exactly the same all the time. Also if you lose the war your CA is lowered by one level.
 

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After granting three kingdom titles as Rus when the kingdoms are BIG, that 0,5% per captured territory is making me really mad. You have to wage horrible and more devastative war than against foreign invasions.