Exactly, the Steam version is required to be different.
I don't see why PI is responsible for creating a separate Steam-only version when the normal version works fine and no one else requires such a silly thing.
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Exactly, the Steam version is required to be different.
I don't see why PI is responsible for creating a separate Steam-only version when the normal version works fine and no one else requires such a silly thing.
So they should stop dealing with steam and stop burying their heads in the sand. And maybe they have, with Johan's earlier post.
It's not their fault.
When you have an issue with the game because of Steam, you need to complain to Steam. Not PI.
Or at least back off the hostility a bit when you learn that PI is still trying to resolve the issues as Johan said in his post.
Still, the fundamental issue here is how Steam handles non-Steam-only games.
They need to be taught a lesson, preferably in the pocket book.
Not that I worry about it, Empire:Total War and Dawn of War 2 left a bad enough taste in my mouth when it comes to Steam that I won't be buying a Steam-only title any time soon again.
They need to be taught a lesson, preferably in the pocket book.
Not that I worry about it, Empire:Total War and Dawn of War 2 left a bad enough taste in my mouth when it comes to Steam that I won't be buying a Steam-only title any time soon again.
IMO its Paradox responsibility to have correctly working game at Steam.
Steam haters should at least check facts be4 they start spreading FUD and BS
- Steam is not providing any kind of DRM for their version of HoI3.
- Steam versions 1.1c and 1.2 didnt have any problems with MP because they were exactly same as retail version so why the hell is 1.3 so problematic - if it was general problem with Steam it would affect all versions not just 1.3
lets not forget that Paradox already screwed up several things like the fact that deault install is into protected folder which sometimes cause problems.
I also doesnt like fact that Johan´s firs post related to this problem was today and not when this (IMO pretty big) problem was discovered.
Steam haters should at least check facts be4 they start spreading FUD and BS
- Steam is not providing any kind of DRM for their version of HoI3.
- Steam versions 1.1c and 1.2 didnt have any problems with MP because they were exactly same as retail version so why the hell is 1.3 so problematic - if it was general problem with Steam it would affect all versions not just 1.3
lets not forget that Paradox already screwed up several things like the fact that deault install is into protected folder which sometimes cause problems.
I also doesnt like fact that Johan´s firs post related to this problem was today and not when this (IMO pretty big) problem was discovered.
Still, the fundamental issue here is how Steam handles non-Steam-only games.
They need to be taught a lesson, preferably in the pocket book.
Not that I worry about it, Empire:Total War and Dawn of War 2 left a bad enough taste in my mouth when it comes to Steam that I won't be buying a Steam-only title any time soon again.
Red Orchestra was sold both retail and on Steam, worked flawlessly.
Wonderful for people who play Red Orchestra.
If I buy it, I'll get the retail version or wait for Gamersgate to carry it.
IMO its Paradox responsibility to have correctly working game at Steam.
Steam haters should at least check facts be4 they start spreading FUD and BS
- Steam is not providing any kind of DRM for their version of HoI3.
- Steam versions 1.1c and 1.2 didnt have any problems with MP because they were exactly same as retail version so why the hell is 1.3 so problematic - if it was general problem with Steam it would affect all versions not just 1.3
lets not forget that Paradox already screwed up several things like the fact that deault install is into protected folder which sometimes cause problems.
I also doesnt like fact that Johan´s firs post related to this problem was today and not when this (IMO pretty big) problem was discovered.
BS I know, what's FUD?
"so why the hell is 1.3 so problematic" -- Good question, let's explore.
Does PI provide the same software to its digital distributors?
-- If not the problem would be appear to be on their end.
-- If they do then it must be with Steam or GamersGate.
Does GG have the same compatibility issues?
-- No, judging by the threads in the tech support section.
So what happens to the Steam version? Is it something they alter for their distribution process?
"lets not forget that Paradox already screwed up several things like the fact that deault install is into protected folder which sometimes cause problems."
I assume you refer to Vista and its babysitter the UAC. It's not Paradox's fault that Microsoft thinks people are to stupid to install their own programs without having to ask permission. If you know the protection causes trouble change the default, I do it for all my games. There is no other way for Paradox to make the default location usable by nearly every computer, they don't know your file structure.
"I also doesnt like fact that Johan´s firs post related to this problem was today and not when this (IMO pretty big) problem was discovered."
So do you think this problem was missed or ignored by Paradox? Very unlikely in either case. So you're just upset that they didn't make a post about it right away. Gotta be harsh here ... grow up.
I'm not posting this as a fanboy, I'm posting as someone who has experienced the letdown of bad game releases with truly poor support, Outpost and MOO3 for example. Paradox isn't perfect but it isn't terrible either. And FGS, use some logic people.
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You didn't read my post, or chose to ignore it. I said PI should stop dealing with them and ignoring the situation and pretending that everything is fine as long as they get their money.... and they have indeed done that, for which I am happy.
If a dealership is selling brand new Toyota's, but rips everything out and replaces it with 2nd hand parts before I get it, then I complain to both Toyota and the dealership. Wouldn't you fanboy?
I am, I said thanks to Johan, fanboy
Didn't mean for that to come across as being directed at you specifically, I was meaning in general.
IMO its Paradox responsibility to have correctly working game at Steam.
Steam haters should at least check facts be4 they start spreading FUD and BS
- Steam is not providing any kind of DRM for their version of HoI3.
- Steam versions 1.1c and 1.2 didnt have any problems with MP because they were exactly same as retail version so why the hell is 1.3 so problematic - if it was general problem with Steam it would affect all versions not just 1.3
lets not forget that Paradox already screwed up several things like the fact that deault install is into protected folder which sometimes cause problems.
I also doesnt like fact that Johan´s firs post related to this problem was today and not when this (IMO pretty big) problem was discovered.
I agree with this. Steam is a serious business that gets done what it is supposed to do and well.
You didn't read my post, or chose to ignore it. I said PI should stop dealing with them and ignoring the situation and pretending that everything is fine as long as they get their money.... and they have indeed done that, for which I am happy.
If a dealership is selling brand new Toyota's, but rips everything out and replaces it with 2nd hand parts before I get it, then I complain to both Toyota and the dealership. Wouldn't you fanboy?
I am, I said thanks to Johan, fanboy
Steam probably makes them more money. I doubt they stop doing business with Steam. Paradox needs to focus on its on pile of problems.
I also purchased my HOI3 on Steam and it works fine, although I've not tried multiplayer yet. If Paradox contracted with Steam to have Steam sell their game, they need to set it up right for Steam, because they contracted to sell it on Steam.
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You didn't read my post, or chose to ignore it. I said PI should stop dealing with them and ignoring the situation and pretending that everything is fine as long as they get their money.... and they have indeed done that, for which I am happy.
If a dealership is selling brand new Toyota's, but rips everything out and replaces it with 2nd hand parts before I get it, then I complain to both Toyota and the dealership. Wouldn't you fanboy?
I am, I said thanks to Johan, fanboy
Wow, first time I was ever called a fanboy. Makes me feel special!
At any rate. I didn't work for a Toyota dealership, but I did work for a Nissan dealership.
So to answer your question. You would of course complain to the dealership and the manufacturer that they should not have replaced your brand-new factory parts with non-Toyota or used parts.
Toyota is not going to come to your house and put brand new parts in your car though. Their responsibility for the car ended when it got unloaded at the dealership. The car and any problems associated with it are now the dealership's problem. So to demand that they do something themselves will prove fruitless.
Instead, what Toyota can do is:
A. Stop delivering Toyotas to that dealership.
B. Tell the dealership to change its practices and try to resolve the problem.
Johan has apparently opted for Plan B. Whether Steam will cooperate or not remains to be seen.
Wow, first time I was ever called a fanboy. Makes me feel special!
At any rate. I didn't work for a Toyota dealership, but I did work for a Nissan dealership.
So to answer your question. You would of course complain to the dealership and the manufacturer that they should not have replaced your brand-new factory parts with non-Toyota or used parts.
Toyota is not going to come to your house and put brand new parts in your car though. Their responsibility for the car ended when it got unloaded at the dealership. The car and any problems associated with it are now the dealership's problem. So to demand that they do something themselves will prove fruitless.
Instead, what Toyota can do is:
A. Stop delivering Toyotas to that dealership.
B. Tell the dealership to change its practices and try to resolve the problem.
Johan has apparently opted for Plan B. Whether Steam will cooperate or not remains to be seen.
The only problem with this is that Steam has more leverage than Paradox, since they're now a major marketer for games. So Paradox has got the leverage the dealership has and Steam has got Toyota like leverage.
If they don't go with how Steam works, they may lose sales.
A lot of you assume the problem comes from Steam. We have no clue about who's responsible for this mess. So please try to understand a lot of us are very frustrated not getting what we paid for and have no support at all for weeks.
Furthermore patches 1.1 and 1.2 worked well, so it is legitimate for us to believe that PI messed up something with the Steam 1.3 patch. Again, as PI didn't communicate at all on the problem we have no idea where it comes from and it's normal to ask PI why their game doesn't work. If they immediately said "hey, Steam altered the patch we sent" we wouldn't be here. But obviously it's not so simple so please stop bashing players who just want to play the game they bought the normal way without having to use some user mod or a pirate copy of the game.
Well then people should start buying HOI3 from places other than Steam to avoid problems, as I said before.
No other distributor has any issues at all.
Then again no other distributor requires that the game be patched from their own service, that the game default to launching from their service, that the game reside in a folder other than the default path of all other distributors, etc.
It's amazing that 1.1 and 1.2 didn't have as many problems as 1.3 has given those circumstances.
PI should have just given Steam the same game and patch that it gave everyone else and make them deal with it.
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