Why would Albanian culture be in south slavic?

[Vin55]

It should be in the Byzantium culture group with gotic there is one other not greek group in there and it would not be a buff to the greeks or a too big nerf for south slavic. There is just more in common with that group than with the slaves.

 

[EarlKonrad]

Now all we need is a nerf Ottoman thread and a formable Belgium thread and we'll meet this weekly quota early.

Still missing New World is broken and please NERF X.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

When you play as Albania, or when you make a custom nation with Albanian culture, Albanian is grouped in south Slavic. I know that Albanians live in Balkan which is mostly inhabited by Slavs but everyone knows that Albanians aren't Slavic.
I've heard people saying that Albanian should be in the Latin culture group but the Albanian culture isn't really a Latin culture. If you check on videos on Youtube and even when speaking with Albanians, all of them say that Albanian is a culture with no relation with other cultures.
So for the sake of accuracy, I think Albania should have It's own culture group.

After seeing Turkish in the same group as all of Arabia/Egypt, it's hard to be surprised with culture shenanigans.

My personal favorite was in the early patches of the game, where Ottomans were in the same group with all of Arabia + Maghreb, and literally every culture south of Sahara in Africa was otherwise in one culture group (!!!). Mali, Kongolese, Kilwa (it was the country of "Swahili" back then lol), and Ethiopia? Basically the same thing !

 

[nobodyinparticular]

Being Dutch, I'm glad it's part of the German culture group. It's better for gameplay purposes, no matter how I feel about our culture being distinct from German.

 

[Sidolowka]

Why not rename the South Slavic culture group to Balkan?

 

[Kapitalisti]

Being Dutch, I'm glad it's part of the German culture group. It's better for gameplay purposes, no matter how I feel about our culture being distinct from German.

Sure, I get what you mean, but there is no "German" culture in the game. You got the Germanic group which includes Bavarians, Austrians, Prussians etc.

Again, the culture groups are mostly about cultural affinity, history or just being used to each other. AND they have to account for the entire game period as cultures can't change groups. So you get situations like the Dutch in 1444 being very similar to other Germanic cultures but being very different by our 1821, or how Finns have the reverse of them being fairly different from other Nordic cultures in 1444 but ending up pretty similar by 1821.

 

[JaxElite]

So you get situations like the Dutch in 1444 being very similar to other Germanic cultures but being very different by our 1821

Small anecdote: Note that the difference between dutch and northern german culture is way smaller than the difference between northern and southern germans today. Same goes for language by the way, as a northern german who was raised in standard german but whose grandparents always spoke lower german (which is a different language, not a dialect) with people their age, i can listen to durch people speaking dutch and understand half the stuff, while i remember a few years back in a ski lift in bavaria that i needed a few minutes to realise that the people next to me spoke german and still couldn't understand ***..

In all seriousness many northern germans can identify more with dutch or even danish culture than with southern german.

 

[Vin55]

True, dutch is not that different even today. Would it have been Bavaria who could the ties with the HRE, it would be impossible to understand, like Swiss-German witch is allemanisch, what people tend to forget that most parts of germany have languages not dialects, like with american and english english.

 

[blackbirdgriffi]

Your reasoning is correct but EU4 is a game focused on abstractions rather than a simulation, in a simulation type game (REF :I:R; Vicky 2) the devs should focus on historical accuracy.

Think of EU4 mechanics more as a "RISK" game and based on balance while still having regional mechanics for flavor beeing loosly based on some historical aspect of the region,then you'll see that the reasoning for not having isolate culture groups with just a couple of provinces makes a lot more sense.

As an exemple play with one of the small (dev wise) isolated culture group (Byzantine, tibet, some african ones, korean....) while some of them can be very strong regardless the boost given by having a big "brother culture" amount of clay around you is big boost IMHO. Look at the Manchu, once they're intégrated into the Chinese sphere of culture they gain a massive power as having land with accepted culture is a big boost to the lands values.

 

[TeutonicTortoise]

Just because they are in the South Slavic group doesn't mean they are Slavs it's just that the cultures give and take through proximity. Look at Breton which is distinctly Celtic but obviously is influenced by its regional cultural power in France, same with England and Wales. The Carpathian culture group has Latin Romanians, Slavic Slovaks and the Magyar Hungarians all of which are completely separate ethnically (excluding the inter marriage which was very common at the time) but similarly gave and took traditions and general style to the point that a Romanian and a Hungarian have more similarities then a Romanian and a Spaniard.