Why turkish player cannot become seljuk invader at early start date?

[makaramus]

I mean is that "surname" that important?
we can form mongol empire(wich doesnt give us army it meant to for AI... really? Why not ... since this game care about balane!)
we can switch to landed crusader
but we cant become seljuk invader and benefit from its cb? why?
turkish hordes should have a decision to declare themselves seljuk invader(will have diffrent name! will call seljuk invader just for shake of discussion)
1)is a horde
2)controlling a kingdom in pers empire
3)got 7000 prestige
if requirements are met you can make a decision that will settle you in persia (you will settle at a holding you control directly. if none exist you will gain de jure capital), get bloodline and gain access to special CB seljuk has.

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

Rather than a decision that automatically usurps, allow you to do a prepared invasion instead.

It would be better for this "get you started" CB to be available to a vassal Muslim Turkish clan (to imitate Seljuk who always converts to Muslim before his adventure,) and not the actual Khagan. Success grants independence and the Manifest Destiny CB.

 

[makaramus]

Rather than a decision that automatically usurps, allow you to do a prepared invasion instead.

It would be better for this "get you started" CB to be available to a vassal Muslim Turkish clan (to imitate Seljuk who always converts to Muslim before his adventure,) and not the actual Khagan. Success grants independence and the Manifest Destiny CB.

so... what you should do is humilating and making everyone tributary to gain enought prestige.
also you should be somehow stronger than target too... wich will be difficult at charlamange start but easier at viking age
sounds good

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

Well my idea is so long as you are a Muslim Turkish Khan (not Khagan, as Seljuk did not lead the entire Turkish confederation) you should have access to this CB. Probably as you said, after a certain amount of prestige. This also limits player power play, as Khagans in player control can get stupidly powerful. No need to give them access to Manifest Destiny CB on top of that.

Don't really worry about troops. The Prepared Invasion CB used by Germanics will often automatically recruit event troops for you that'll fight for the duration of your war. Oftentimes you'll get much more powerful than your target.

And then if you win an event fires announcing the new Seljuk, with the manifest destiny and bloodline that comes with it.