Wait they not participate in WW2 for i know right? So why introduce it in a DLC?
And what can be achieved doing an turkey nf?
And what can be achieved doing an turkey nf?
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Why Turkey?
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You can't do Turkey without doing Greece and Bulgaria at least, Turkey and Greece are even more tied but Bulgaria is in there too. It serves it's purpose as a Eastern Mediterranean country pack. Also Turkey did join the war in February '45 but never saw action since by that point the Axis were on the verge of collapse and it was really only Germany left with pockets of their troops and those loyal to puppet government, but throughout the war both the Axis and Allies continuously tried to pressure Turkey to their side, think Portugal but Turkey had more potential to flip the war one way, that region is crucial, for the Axis it serves a path to the flank the North African front, a push into the Middle East and the Caucasus to threaten Soviet and Allied oil fields, while for the Allies it secures shipping in the south to the Soviets while opening up a front to liberate Greece, Albania and Yugoslavia while pushing north into Bulgaria, Romania and eventually Italy and Hungary. There was a lot of behind the scenes fighting over influence over Turkey. It'll be quite interesting to see and help flesh the area more so when the Soviet Union is done after there is a regional power to their south to keep an eye on.
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I know the inclusion of Turkey in this DLC has more than 90% chance, but has it been confirmed?
Not confirmed but there is a screenshot from the last Dev diary with the Bosphorus straits as demilitarized zones, which suggests it’ll be featured next
As for why Turkey? It’s probably because it fits the best with the other countries in the pack (Greece and Bulgaria). I hope they make the historical neutral tree also fun - give both sides the ability to influence Turkey to stay neutral sort of like the Dutch tree
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Someone asked on Hearts of Iron IV on Twitter why no Turkey and they responded by saying "Can you give us a week?" on top of that we have the new DMZ (thank god, I've been wanting them to use this feature a hell of a lot more), AND you just can't do Bulgaria and, especially this one, Greece, without doing a Turkey DLC so the chances of them being 1 of the other 1-2 countries I would say is 100%. The main question is are we seeing a Albania update too.
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One of the reworked states I think is Kosovo, so I think Albania will get a tree. The question is how big and how it will impact Italy. I hope Italy will get an option to turn Albania into a reichkomissariat (lowest fascist autonomy level) instead of straight up annexing it
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There are 25 unique focus trees in the game (including the regionally unique Chinese warlord tree, but excluding the stump that is the Vichy French tree, which for all intents and purposes is a branch of the main French tree), 8 of these, meaning 32%, are trees for nations that either did not really participate in WW2 as combatant nations, or were conquered very quickly. The addition of Greece, which lasted longer but fell very quickly once the Germans got involved, Bulgaria and Turkey will bring this number up to 11 out of 28, or 39%.
It has long-since been made clear that PDX cares little of the order of impact of the actual fighting nations of WW2, and focuses on what sells, which turns out is largely meme content for nations that the most people in the community and potential customer base shows interest in. In other words nations with more people that play or may play HoI4 gain preference, regardless of their participation in WW2.
EDIT: Manchukuo as a participating combatant nation in its own right is a pretty big question mark as well. Including it would mean those numbers are 9, i.e. 36%, and 12, i.e. 43% respectively.
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I hope Albania won't get a focus tree. Since, nobody is really going to play Albania, since they have nothing to do. You can create Greater Albania, but I think that Kosovo shouldn't be the only part they get. Also if they plan to have Kosovo as releasable nation, that would make even less sense. I just see that after this dlc, Yugoslavia would be unplayable, since Bulgaria is going to make quasi cores on Macedonia. Greater Albania was bigger than Albania with Kosovo. They had western Macedonia and southern Montenegro as well. If the only point of adding Kosovo is to be politically correct they should rework map of Yugo, so Croatia doesn't get Srem and Serbia doesn't get the province Hungary had. Albania is a nation that gets annexed 2/3 years into the game. It would better fit with Italian tree than with Greece tree.
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We don't see the full state but you can see the bottom part of it in one screenshot also there is a decision that mentions Bulgaria making Kosovo a proper Bulgarian state. Personally I hope they get a tree but it should be relatively small and dedicated to a few but main paths. You should have a pro and anti Italy path at the end of the day with some stuff leading to supporting partisans to give the country something to do in the later years to perhaps spark a 3rd Balkan War after the 2nd World War ends, just an idea. Albania can be taken in a lot of ways so it'll be interesting to see what they get, if not this DLC/update then in the future since Podcat says everyone existing in '36 is getting a tree.
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I think Gabriel said that they don't want give Tannu Tuva, Nepal, Bhutan or Luxembourg focus tree
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If I recall that was in the context of not any time soon, besides, I'll take the game director's stance over someone else's, I forgot what Gabriel does, is it content designer? Anyway, the other problem is generic is OP with the fascist path giving 7% Recruitable Population, absolutely insane, no way I see them leaving it for those 4 countries.
I think you have a biased view of who an important combatant is. The only states with national focus trees that didn’t really participate are Mexico and Portugal. I’m guess you're including Czechoslovakia, but they are such a major player in the lead up to war that it’s absurd not to include them. Greece and Bulgaria were very sorely needed. Greece in particular fought a hard prolonged campaign against Italy, and Bulgaria had a pretty substantial impact on how the war developed in the Balkans
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Ehhh, I would argue Portugal had some participation, not in the direct fighting but behind the scenes absolutely.
They weren't a major player, they were a victim, they're a regional power but they didn't need more focuses to show forts and decent military, they weren't the one making demands or meditating peace deals, they sat around, were worried of Germany and Hungary, built a military, then got eaten after 2 events, not really a "major player in the lead up"
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But Czechoslovakia refusing Munich is actually one of the plausible alt-history scenarios for replayability. At least when you compare it to all that monarchist nonsense.
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Because according to statistics it is one of the favourite non-major nation in this game. And what's cooler than re-building the Ottoman Empire?
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Turkey is a "strong minor", strategic geopolitics due to next to USSR's and middle eastern oil fields, decent military, rich in chromium and decent amount of states. Historically, everyone wanted to draw Turkey to their side. If Turkey had joined the war would drastically have changed. They did declare war on the axis near the end of the war. So there was a possibility for Turkey to join the axis if the USSR lost badly. Hitler could promise to give land and dragged Turkey and Spain and Portugal into the war. The alternative contents for Turkey are also rich. Focus Tree for Turkey is money-making for that reason.
This is a grand strategy game so the situation will change for every decision you make. Just because Turkey did stay out of the war most of the time historically doesn't mean they can't join earlier in this game. If you want "historically" focus trees then take a look at boring TfV dominions and Italy/USSR/Poland one. There's a reason why the Devs added more and more alternative paths in the later trees.
See you after Albania dev diary .
This is a grand strategy game so the situation will change for every decision you make. Just because Turkey did stay out of the war most of the time historically doesn't mean they can't join earlier in this game. If you want "historically" focus trees then take a look at boring TfV dominions and Italy/USSR/Poland one. There's a reason why the Devs added more and more alternative paths in the later trees.
See you after Albania dev diary
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You need to re-read my post with intent:
"[T]rees for nations that either did not really participate in WW2 as combatant nations, or were conquered very quickly. [...] Greece, which lasted longer but fell very quickly once the Germans got involved"
Portugal, Spain, Mexico, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Poland, Holland, France, Greece, Bulgaria, Turkey and arguably Manchukuo, which was more a Japanese PR stunt than a real nation, all fit the bill: all of them either didn't participate as nations, or did but collapsed and were occupied quickly or relatively quickly (Greece), and they as nations did not significantly impact the course of the war. If anything, their failures to do so did (e.g. the defeat of France). One could of course argue that France failed as a nation and therefore it, as a nation, had a huge impact. What I'm getting at here though is a nation's impact on the war out of its own will, not out of its unwilling defeat.
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