Why this game is so expencive in Ukraine?

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ElvenNeko

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I am and old battle-tech fan, started playing on sega and ps1, read some books, spent a lot of time in mwo, and you can imagine that i was waiting for this game since the announce, especially concidering that it's turn-based and made by hbs, who proven their ability to make good games with this combat system.

What i cannot understand - is a price on this game in my country. You should know that Russia and Ukraine sharing exacly same region-locked version of the game, but due to recent changes in steam policy my friend from Russia can't gift me copy of the game anymore because... they have different prices.

Russian version costs 725rubles, and that equals 333uah (or even 295, depending on exchance method). Ukrainian version costs 479uah, that is at least 146uah more for Ukrainian version, and i have only one question: WHY?

Average month income in Ukraine is way lower than in Russia. Some of the professions recieving 3x time less money than they would recive in Russia, yet people from Ukraine have to pay more? Where is the logic in that?
Games don't come cheap to me, my current month income is 1400uah, and even if we speaking about one of my favorite settings - i can't just throw money out. If price were equal to russian i would already pre-order it, but now i have to wait before sellers from Russia will start selling steam codes, and buy it from them (since both countries recieve same version of the game, it's 100% legal to do that).

I don't even ask you to change prices, all i want to know - is why did you do that? What is the reasons to charge more from the poor country, and charge less from the richest one, especially concidering that it has no effect since you can just buy a key from russian resellers? All it does is not allowing to pre-order, and forcing to wait until people will start selling keys instead of playing right away. Maybe i am missing something obvious that your marketing team can see, and i - do not? Then i hope it's not a classified sectet and you can explain, why it was done?
 

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That seems like it's more of Steam's/Valve's fault that the Devs or Paradox.
Have you tried GoG? Maybe the prices there are better? Though,since my country doesn't get regional pricing, i'm not sure if GoG actually does them.

Trust me dude, i know how awful it can feel to not be able to afford things, i'm from Lithuania, where we get the low Eastern European salaries with Western European prices on everything.
 
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There was a long thread about this sort of thing elsewhere. But from what i understand Steam are the ones who handle the regional pricing; Paradox set a base retail price (say, the price in $US) but rely on steam to work out what a "fair" price in other economies is. It's not a simple case of looking at the exchange rate either, going by the price in the UK £34.99, that would be 1,290.88UAH or 2,809.16RUB
 

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I think it's because Valve sets the recommended prices and they just click the button and approve it.
 

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I'm living next doors to you (in Hungary), Valve offers the game to me for 40EUR (that's 1284UAH for you), I think it is the same for everyone in the EU. So the price is almost triple for us compared to Ukrainians. Although, I have no idea how would I live on 1400UAH a month, :(, best of luck to you.
 

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I recommend GoG, their fair pricing package is likely to offset your costs (even if it is with store credit).
 

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That seems like it's more of Steam's/Valve's fault that the Devs or Paradox.

It's not, i have acsess to steam dev kit, and it allows to set each price manually. Maybe developers don't care about pricings, and just set the usd price, then click recommended for rest, like people saying here... But would anyone take such a lazy approach to selling their product in reality? I mean - there was a lot of cases when due to mistakes prcies for games were 1cent or something like that, recommended ones can not only enormously enlarge it for some countries, but also sell the game almost for free if mistakes happen. It happened even with biggest games like GTA V - can't imagine how much rockstar lost because of that incident. And you saying they just trusting an algorithm to pick prices for them, instead of making their marketing specialists do that?

Sadly, price on gog are almost same as on steam. Also i wonder how multiplayer will work without acsess to steam servers? Even if game will use p2p (and that is most likely for turn-based game), they still need a server for matchmaking, right? I belive i want to try mp in this game even more than sp, there is so few good online pvp games with tactical combat...
 
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It's not, i have acsess to steam dev kit, and it allows to set each price manually. Maybe developers don't care about pricings, and just set the usd price, then click recommended for rest, like people saying here... But would anyone take such a lazy approach to selling their product in reality? I mean - there was a lot of cases when due to mistakes prcies for games were 1cent or something like that, recommended ones can not only enormously enlarge it for some countries, but also sell the game almost for free if mistakes happen. It happened even with biggest games like GTA V - can't imagine how much rockstar lost because of that incident. And you saying they just trusting an algorithm to pick prices for them, instead of making their marketing specialists do that?

Sadly, price on gog are almost same as on steam. Also i wonder how multiplayer will work without acsess to steam servers? Even if game will use p2p (and that is most likely for turn-based game), they still need a server for matchmaking, right? I belive i want to try mp in this game even more than sp, there is so few good online pvp games with tactical combat...
You'll need a PDX account for multiplayer per here. Pricing beyond the initial USD value I'm pretty sure is set by Paradox.
 

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I'm living next doors to you (in Hungary), Valve offers the game to me for 40EUR (that's 1284UAH for you), I think it is the same for everyone in the EU. So the price is almost triple for us compared to Ukrainians. Although, I have no idea how would I live on 1400UAH a month, :(, best of luck to you.

I am from Bulgaria and we pay same price of 38 euro , we all know that in some regions the cost is 3 - 4 times less then ours , yea its a pain for our walets , but we can not do anything about it :( .
 

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Ukrain is -54% cheaper than US price. The most expensive this game is in EU (euro) area, as usal.
https://steamdb.info/app/637090/

I wonder how on Earth they set these prices. :rolleyes:

And yeah, it's the economically less developed part of EU that really gets the short end of the stick here, with that uniform "EU" price clearly scaled for a Swedish lawyer/doctor.

And it's hilarious that of the European countries not using the Euro, Norway and Switzerland get a lower price than Poland.
 

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After the previous thread I came to the collision that Russian hackers are manipulating the steam regional pricing. Or piracy is so prevalent that prices have to be lowered to virtually nothing to incentivize Russians to use Steam. Or Russia is such a small market, they don't care that it is a negative ROI to under-price the game so much.
Personally, I try not worry about it too much, and instead pay a premium price knowing that it will help HBS's future endeavors.
 

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Paradox is makeing the prices per region for their own games. I dont know how they are doing it for published games (does the developer has also something to say about it and how much).
Russian version costs 725rubles, and that equals 333uah (or even 295, depending on exchance method). Ukrainian version costs 479uah, that is at least 146uah more for Ukrainian version, and i have only one question: WHY?

Average month income in Ukraine is way lower than in Russia. Some of the professions recieving 3x time less money than they would recive in Russia, yet people from Ukraine have to pay more? Where is the logic in that?
First of all prices are not "fair" (they are not everywhere the same nor are striktly bound to the average loval economy) they are what paradox thinks is ok in those countrys to get X revenue for a Y siced player base. Look at some countrys in the eu and what they have to pay. Its a cost vs demant question.

How may the Ukraine-Russian price difference have happend (just wild guessing):

  • A middle ground between eu and russian priceing.
  • Paradox has a global price picture where the russian ones should be much higher but got roled back after a comunity backslash (paradox increased their prices in many regions in summer 2017 and in cases for about 50 % or 100%; hearsay, i havent profed the numbers) and you receved the short end because the ukrainian are therefor compareable high.
  • Just an unindended missmatch
  • Anything else
 
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Maybe developers don't care about pricings, and just set the usd price, then click recommended for rest, like people saying here... But would anyone take such a lazy approach to selling their product in reality?
You're not looking at it from a developer's point of view at all... it isn't being lazy, it's simply not having any expertise in international pricing and expecting Steam to have that expertise because it's essentially part of their job. (And, yeah, since you aren't a developer it's understandable that you wouldn't initially look at it from their point of view... but to understand why this happened, you need to make the switch.)

Why would any sane person choose to set prices individually in every country in the world when they believe that someone else has done the work for them?
 

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Why would any sane person choose to set prices individually in every country in the world when they believe that someone else has done the work for them?

Because HBS turned to publisher. Publisher - is the company, who pays tons of marketing specialists to make them maximum profit from the game. And you saying that all those specialists just decided to ask someone else to do work for them? When result of this work will directly influence their profits?