Why this game has Syria and Iraq tags?

[Ratanka]

all this hate makes me instant wanna play a round as syria or iraq thanks paradox for including it

 

[The Havoc]

The same could be applied to Lebanon if I'm not mistaken.

Paradox is really inconsistent with tags and releasables. They include countries that were only around outside of the time period (like Italy, Germany, Rome, Rum, Yuan, Malaya), along with some that are pure fantasy (Scandinavia, United HRE, Mann) but are completely and utterly opposed to the inclusion of other nations, like Belgium (which sorta existed during the time period).

Agree. There is a lot of inconsistency with tags and dates too. For example, Catalonia is releasable in 1444 even though the first attempt to become independent (or, to be more accurate, to become a part of France) took place in 1640. You could argue that Catalonia was a princedom within the crown of Aragon in 1444 and therefore you should be able to release them but then, what about the Kingdom of Valencia? It had its own institutions too. Why isn't it playable? I think that Paradox should be more clear in that regard.

 

[Ratanka]

The same could be applied to Lebanon if I'm not mistaken.



Agree. There is a lot of inconsistency with tags and dates too. For example, Catalonia is releasable in 1444 even though the first attempt to become independent (or, to be more accurate, to become a part of France) took place in 1640. You could argue that Catalonia was a princedom within the crown of Aragon in 1444 and therefore you should be able to release them but then, what about the Kingdom of Valencia? It had its own institutions too. Why isn't it playable? I think that Paradox should be more clear in that regard.

its normaly pretty easy, if alot people want it and they are in the region they add it ^^

 

[Lewa263]

I think particularists or peasants would be more fitting for these areas.

You think that if, say, Britain conquers those regions, the only rebels there should identify as British citizens?

 

[Fulmen]

Paradox is really inconsistent with tags and releasables. They include countries that were only around outside of the time period (like Italy, Germany, Rome, Rum, Yuan, Malaya), along with some that are pure fantasy (Scandinavia, United HRE, Mann) but are completely and utterly opposed to the inclusion of other nations, like Belgium (which sorta existed during the time period).

Italy and Germany existed as formal kingdoms since the middle ages. Given that the game does not simulate the implausibility of anyone conquering most of Germany or Italy between 1444 and 1821, it doesn't end up being very outlandish to have them as formable tags in the game.

 

[master_kong]

all this hate makes me instant wanna play a round as syria or iraq thanks paradox for including it

Hate? Are you ok?

You think that if, say, Britain conquers those regions, the only rebels there should identify as British citizens?

You might be right, but I'd prefer regional tags I guess. It would at least represent local amirs/sharifs uprisings.

 

[FleetingRain]

Those tags represent a local ruler amassing power and controlling a more or less well-established area.

 

[wingren013]

Iraq and Syria both refer to the locations of those countries. I see no reason why they wouldn't be called that.

 

[Trin Tragula]

These are both old names for these regions and both were also in frequent use for these regions throughout the era.
There have also in this timeline been a number of separatists and local power holders with a varying degree of autonomy in these regions. Certainly it's not at all unrealistic for them to be able to become independent. At various times especially Arabian Iraq was basically ruled as its own country.

A country in EU4 is not a nation state. It's just a state, and in the early modern era those come in many forms and shapes and tend to get geographical names more often than not. Both Arabian Iraq and Syria are well established such regions with their own regional economies, major cities and local power holders and potentates.
They are no more or less artificial than many other states in the world.

 

[DanubianCossak]

Also if you want them removed, what should they be replaced with?

 

[master_kong]

These are both old names for these regions and both were also in frequent use for these regions throughout the era.
There have also in this timeline been a number of separatists and local power holders with a varying degree of autonomy in these regions. Certainly it's not at all unrealistic for them to be able to become independent. At various times especially Arabian Iraq was basically ruled as its own country.

A country in EU4 is not a nation state. It's just a state, and in the early modern era those come in many forms and shapes and tend to get geographical names more often than not. Both Arabian Iraq and Syria are well established such regions with their own regional economies, major cities and local power holders and potentates.
They are no more or less artificial than many other states in the world.

Thank you for your enlightening answer as always Trin. I might come back for Aq Qoyunlu some day, better be here again