Why straits?

[hitchens]

Why are straits in the game?

It has always bothered me that 20000 soldiers with artillery can simply walk from Ireland to England, from Constantinople to Turkey or from the Danish peninsula to Sweden.


This is ridiculous so please, remove straits!

 

[CaptainChiatrol]

Why?

What if it made a graphic for them building little makeshift rafts during the extra time it took since it's only on really short amounts of water.

 

[Santoes]

Local boats being used for transport wasn't uncommon. There have been times where leaders would create a bridge of boats to march troops across a straight.

 

[hitchens]

Why?

What if it made a graphic for them building little makeshift rafts during the extra time it took since it's only on really short amounts of water.

Then it should cost money. The distance between Ireland and England isnt a 'really short' amount of water. Also, medival makeshift rafts that can sail with thousands of soldiers in open water? Heh.

 

[Santoes]

The ireland one is new. Still I'd have to say no.

 

[lougarou]

Then it should cost money. The distance between Ireland and England isnt a 'really short' amount of water. Also, medival makeshift rafts that can sail with thousands of soldiers in open water? Heh.

Ever heard of military requisition? The generals would just tell their troops to ask nicely (for some definition of nice) to the fishermen who were there to bring them to the coast not far away.

 

[hitchens]

Ever heard of military requisition? The generals would just tell their troops to ask nicely (for some definition of nice) to the fishermen who were there to bring them to the coast not far away.

Yes, but why limit this to a few straits? Both Sweden and Denmark has strong navies so they dont need any straits. The same goes for England and the Ottomans. Theres simply no justification for straits anymore.

Also, taking some fishermens boats and ferrying 100 men from A to B is something completely different than sending 10K or more troops across open sea.

 

[Frossa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_across_the_Belts

 

[hitchens]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_across_the_Belts

Not relevant as it relies on seasons.

 

[Frossa]

Not relevant as it relies on seasons.

I do wish it was part of the game though. x)

 

[PiriReis]

Because its a micro-management hell. However I do agree that some straits like the one between Scotland and Ireland and the one between Adal and Yemen could be removed.

 

[DrLulz]

Why are straits in the game?

It has always bothered me that 20000 soldiers with artillery can simply walk from Ireland to England, from Constantinople to Turkey or from the Danish peninsula to Sweden.


This is ridiculous so please, remove straits!

Ireland to England is pushing it and I agree that this should not be a strait. But the other two examples you mention seem perfectly justified to me. Sweden DID actually "simply walk" from the Danish Penisula to Sweden. Admittedly not with 20.000 soldiers, only with 12.000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_across_the_Belts EDIT: Looks like someone beat me to this example.

In general, straits are supposed to represent crossings that are so narrow, that you do not need a real navy to cross them, but can just use comandeered fishing vessels or something like that. I straits could not be blocked by actual navies, you would have a point, but they can.

What we arguably do need are "reverse straits", i.e. boat-crossings that can be blocked by a land army. Arguably the strait between Constantinople and Turkey should be "reversed".

 

[Freudia]

Yes, but why limit this to a few straits? Both Sweden and Denmark has strong navies so they dont need any straits. The same goes for England and the Ottomans.

You misunderstand. Having strong navies is not grounds for getting rid of straits, as straits are there to reduce micromanagement hell in a lot of cases. Also probably to make invading certain nations not a big pain that requires walking around entire seas.

 

[Santoes]

It's Scotland to Ireland. At the two closest points. The game reason it is there is to buff the Irish and Scottish. It's not like Meath is connected. I don't understand the reasoning on England doesn't need that straight when it isn't England's.

 

[Chimerae]

I like 'em. Plz add gibraltar like CK2

 

[Kansai-kun]

from Constantinople to Turkey

Constantinople is on both sides of the Bosporus, so you could just use ferries to transport your troops from one side to the other - blockading this strait is what's bugging me more. If I remember correctly, there were at least two defensive chains, so how can an enemy fleet just blockade the area between the two city halves?

 

[Freudia]

Constantinople is on both sides of the Bosporus, so you could just use ferries to transport your troops from one side to the other - blockading this strait is what's bugging me more. If I remember correctly, there were at least two defensive chains, so how can an enemy fleet just blockade the area between the two city halves?

Gameplay reasons. It ensures that the Ottomans would need to maintain naval superiority instead of just neglecting to build anything but 400 trade ships so they can protect both halves of their empire.

 

[hitchens]

I do wish it was part of the game though. x)

I think it would have been great to be honest

 

[Kansai-kun]

Gameplay reasons. It ensures that the Ottomans would need to maintain naval superiority instead of just neglecting to build anything but 400 trade ships so they can protect both halves of their empire.

Still wish other countries would have to ask for access, if one country controls both sides of the Bosporus.

 

[Empreorpoef]

maybe it doesn't always make historical sense but you have to remember, this is a game

if i had to use boats every time i had to walk across the bosphorus i would lose my mind