I find it weird that conquered provinces have nationalism. I mean, what peasant cares about who he is paying taxes to? In fifteen century subjugations were common, that's how polish commonwealth formed. Lithuanian's nobles were ''culture and religion converted'' to fit poland more and they didn't make much objections. Nobles didn't object. Educated people. Why the hell would guy who's whole life consist of feeding and eating chickens had any problems with new liege?
Why Start in 1444?
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Yes, but the idea of nation states developed through the period. Especially with the Protestant vs. Catholic divide, what nation you lived in could detrmine what religion you were allowed to practice, which would still be a major ideal.
I would much rather the game started in 1492 than 1444. That would decrease the railroading (Burgundy is gone, Muscovy is already dominant, Poland and Lithuania are PU'd, etc) while not losing anything of note. Byzantium should simply be a formable country instead of being playable at game start.
And the forums would drown in the tears of the Byzantophiles as it has in the past when they were extinct at game start... I think it was even specifically mentioned in one of the dev diaries that the date was chosen so that Byz would still exist.
May I ask what was wrong with EUIII (after expansions) start date? Seemed pretty well balanced. I find the colonial game less interesting in this game because Portugal and Castille just dominate it from the beginning. Colonial expansion in EUIII had more players.
Doesn't have too much to do with the thread, but I saw it mentioned, I would ADORE a Dynasty system like the one in CK2 for the early starts, mostly because the system that is currently in place is pretty bland in my opinion.
The colonial system because I like that Portugal and Spain get much of the New World, while nations like Norway and Scotland can still come in and take some land if things go right. I'm not sure I'd like it if I regularly saw them take Portugal-level amounts of land, just wouldn't feel right.
That's unusual. How would a converter handle the gap?
The problem I have with the dynastic system is less the blandness and more the murkiness and lack of agency. But, that's a topic for another thread.
The 1399 date? It tends to result in very "unhistorical" games. For example Russia would rarely form, or Austria failing to become Emperor. It's a harder date to model historical outcomes from.
I prefered 1399 - especially for Poland due to far more challange from Teutonic Order but it is true what above - in 1444 situation of most main "players" in Europe is more stable and fixed.
In 1399 there is high chance to:
- Muscovy beaten by Novgorod or Hordes
- Poland beaten by Teutons or Lithuania
- France can loss badly HYW (in 1444 it is almost finished)
- Ottomans are not such a big power yet (and Byzantium is stronger)
Now I am very excited that Paradox plans to add another century to Crusader Kings 2
In 1399 there is high chance to:
- Muscovy beaten by Novgorod or Hordes
- Poland beaten by Teutons or Lithuania
- France can loss badly HYW (in 1444 it is almost finished)
- Ottomans are not such a big power yet (and Byzantium is stronger)
Now I am very excited that Paradox plans to add another century to Crusader Kings 2
Magic.
More seriously, converters just create mod files, where it uses the state of the map of the game you're exporting from and then fills in the blanks. For example, you can play 100 years of CK2 starting in 867 and then export to EU4 'just fine'; it'll come out playable, but it might not come out to your liking, so you might need to go in and edit the mod files yourself to get a world you're happy with starting in.
That's the thing- it depends on the individual situation. There's no hard and fast rules.
Very simply, prior to the battle of Varna, the King of Poland and Hungary and the Grand Duke of Lithuania was all ONE PERSON. You start on that day and remove the King of Poland from leading that Army, and Poland, Hungary and Lithuania become ONE NATION in 50 years. And the rest of Europe is in for "A World Of Hurt."
Until Prussia unlocks over 9000 discipline and morale and beats them 4-1. ;-)
Lol, TO disappears in a few years and there is no Prussia, EVER. No discipline is unlocked. That's why it would be a world of hurt for Europe.
Brandenburg has Prussian NIs as a baseline. And in my games since 1.7 they actually manage to grow somewhat.
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