Why "Protestant" and "Reformed"

[gaius valerius]

Or nobody.

Well the reform movement was well underway since before the games timeframe Luther was just the epithome of a struggle that was going on for centuries.

Anglicanism should not be separated from Protestantism in my opinion. Protestantism is not synonym with Lutheranism but with countries establishing national Churches under the monarch's rule and clearly breaking with the Pope: Church of England, Church of Sweden,...

For example, if Gallicanism in France would have clearly broken with the Pope, than France should be portrayed as a Protestant country. This is not the same as the Huguenots winning the Wars of Religion, in which case France should be in game Reformed.

Well Anglicanism was initially not protestant in the Lutheran sense, it became so under George but changed under Mary and Elisabeth. From the latter onward it was seen as a protestant religion and the English themselves always felt naturally allied to the northern European protestants and so forth. The Scots for that matter were Presbyterians, not always eye to eye with the English. The point is the reformation is quite complex and EU IV does not support that complexion AT ALL.

As for France may I point out that Francis I in 1516 in *I have forgotten name of agreement/concordat* extorted worldly power over the catholic church in France (which FYI the Austrian Habsburg did as well without qualms), which essentially made it irrelevant to break with the pope like Henry VIII did. The kings of France had no longer any need to break with the pope for the pope had acquisced in all their demands.

 

[hillcf]

The kings of France had no longer any need to break with the pope for the pope had acquisced in all their demands.

The problem in England was that the Pope had not acquiesced to Henry VIII's request for a divorce. We needed to create a new religion separate from Catholicism, otherwise Henry VIII would be excommunicated, which he actually was.

 

[Enewald]

Where is Arianism? We got Goths, now give us a proper Gothic religion! For Areios!
And how about allow converted Ck2 heresies become real religions in Eu4?

 

[Arilou]

Anglicans and Lutherans did not really see eye to eye inside Britain and there were many conflicts between Anglicans and the "Church of England isn't Protestant enough!" sides (and theology wise Anglicans are closer to Catholics than to Protestants). So really, I don't see lumping the two together as really so good.

Granted, it would affect the bonuses, but it is not impossible for PI to make an exception to the rule so that Protestant countries get along well no matter which denomination they are... although I think it would be better if religion did not directly impact relations, but rather Tolerance did (as historically religion of the state did not natter that much, but tolerance of the ruler did: Poland and, for duration of Edict of Nantes, France are good examples of tolerant while some Calvinist and Lutheran Princes inside HRE hated one another so much that they preferred dealing with Catholics than one another)

The radicals within the English Church tended to be calvinists (or at least calvinist-influenced) though. The end result was that the anglican church ended up very similar to the continental episcopal lutheran churches more or less as a compromise between catholics and calvinists.

(if you remember back in EU2, they had the english convert to protestantism via event, then to reformed under Cromwell, then back to protestantism...)

 

[MiniaAr]

Gallicanism sounds like the Statute in Restraint of Appeals decision to me - a rejection of the Pope's authority over certain matters without any major theological departure, and without a total rejection of the Pope. The Pope wouldn't like it, but it doesn't really make you a Protestant, not even of the watered-down Anglican variety.

I agree. But if Gallicanism had been more than in history and a clear break with the Pope had occured, then I would class it in the Protestant religion, same as Anglicanism.