Why not Coordinate Strike-Port Strike work?

[goodcigar]

I play as Spain and build long range Tactical Bomber. I have like around 170. I do Coordinate Strike on British Malta where many enemy ship are like 50 ship. I launch operation and then basic nothing happen. I not sink a single ship. This really annoying. And it not explain why it not work. What is problem? This make my whole Spain game ruin

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[Happy Trigger]

I'm guessing, but i believe it happened because of the naval targeting and the naval damage of the TACs, that's a lot smaller than NAVs. You would need at least 600 TACs to destroy some ships, and 1000 to destroy almost all. (I'm guessing these numbers too, so you should try a test first with a save game)

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[goodcigar]

I attack with 100 Naval Bomber and only 1 ship destroy. This operation seem worthless. Enemy has no AA. I have espionage portable radio technology and air doctrine bonus.

 

[Vlad123]

The operation is broken?

 

[Sbrubbles]

It isn't broken, it just takes some time to get a lot of bombing in and actually sink ships. It isn't instant

 

[GrandVezir]

Also, tech levels matter: NAV_1 takes a while to sink ships; NAV_3 gets better results. Air and naval doctrines also contribute, especially from the "Base Strike" naval doctrine branch.

 

[goodcigar]

It isn't broken, it just takes some time to get a lot of bombing in and actually sink ships. It isn't instant

Have nothing to do with day. The operation complete and no sink ship.

 

[BeauNiddle]

Have nothing to do with day. The operation complete and no sink ship.

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maybe there is a trick to it since others have had a lot of success

 

[Vlad123]

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maybe there is a trick to it since others have had a lot of success

Short explain?

 

[GrandVezir]

Short explain?

From the original thread:

I was using console commands to test the effectiveness of port strikes. I used 1940 Carrier Naval bombers with +5 bombs and base strike naval doctrines. USA had 800 fighters on air superiority (which did not seem to do anything for the first strike, but they shut down the NAV after that).

So he used fully upgrade NAV2 with the best doctrine. Base Strike (from the naval doctrines tree) massively increases the number of planes that reach the target for port strike missions specifically. OP only mentioned air doctrines, but if you want your port strikes to get results then you need, at a minimum, the first Base Strike tech.

 

[goodcigar]

Coordinate Strike Port Strike only work if you have Base Strike doctrine? What the poopy? Game not say that anywhere.

 

[GrandVezir]

Coordinate Strike Port Strike only work if you have Base Strike doctrine? What the poopy? Game not say that anywhere.

It's right there in the name, Base Strike.

Of course it could be a lot clearer. But it's a lot more evident than drilling down into the espionage missions to figure out how to use Coordinated Strike on a port strike air mission.

 

[CraniumMuppet]

Coordinate Strike Port Strike only work if you have Base Strike doctrine? What the poopy? Game not say that anywhere.

No? You can use whichever doctrine you want. But you are using TACs instead of NAVs. Coordinated strikes acts as a amplified port strike for one sweep

 

[goodcigar]

No? You can use whichever doctrine you want. But you are using TACs instead of NAVs. Coordinated strikes acts as a amplified port strike for one sweep

I try 100 Naval Bomber too. Only sink 1 ship.

 

[CraniumMuppet]

I try 100 Naval Bomber too. Only sink 1 ship.

Sinking one ship with 100 naval bomber doesn't say much about the overall effectiveness of the coordinated strike itself. How much are the other ships damaged? What type of ship was it? 100 navs aren't that much in terms of industrial investment either

 

[GrandVezir]

I try 100 Naval Bomber too. Only sink 1 ship.

Historically, the Japanese used around 150 naval bombers and 120 CAS (those concentrated on the airfields, but missions in real life are a bit more flexible than they are in game). They came in two waves, but would count as a single strike in game terms. So call it roughly double the number of bombers.

"Vice-Consul Morimura" ran the Coordinated Strike espionage mission prior to the attack. I'll go out on a limb and say that the IJN was running Base Strike doctrine, too, so they had the Port Strike bonuses.

Their results? Two battleships (Arizona, Oklahoma*) and one target ship (Utah, not even represented in game) were total losses. Every other ship hit during the attack was repaired and returned to service.

Your results seem to be about right in comparison.

*Oklahoma was actually hauled upright and patched up to the point where it could be (and was) towed into drydock, but the US navy decided full repairs wouldn't be worth the effort. In game terms, you could say that it sat at over 90% damage, constantly bumped down the repair queue until the war ended. Or call it a total loss since it sank at sea under tow to the breakers' yard in 1947.

 

[goodcigar]

Sinking one ship with 100 naval bomber doesn't say much about the overall effectiveness of the coordinated strike itself. How much are the other ships damaged? What type of ship was it? 100 navs aren't that much in terms of industrial investment either

I play Spain small country. I spend huge resource and time to do Coordinate Strike. I build 100 new Naval Bomber. Train them. Sink 1 Destroyer. Lightly damage two or three other ship. Very bad. Total waste and ruin my game.

Person who downvote this post need brain work.

 

[Bronterre]

You are using too few aircraft and it seems the wrong types. Older naval bombers and tactical bombers would have to be used in large numbers to get good results. As far as I can see this is used as a one off I hit you without you being able to stop me rather then a total wipe you seem to expect it to be.

if your whole strategy is based on this one sneak attack and it isn't working then it is your strategy that is wrong.

 

[GSP Jr]

You are using too few aircraft and it seems the wrong types. Older naval bombers and tactical bombers would have to be used in large numbers to get good results. As far as I can see this is used as a one off I hit you without you being able to stop me rather then a total wipe you seem to expect it to be.

if your whole strategy is based on this one sneak attack and it isn't working then it is your strategy that is wrong.

But, it worked so well at Taranto and Pearl Harbor.

 

[GrandVezir]

But, it worked so well at Taranto and Pearl Harbor.

I described Pearl Harbor above.

Taranto: Littorio damaged; Caio Duilio technically sunk but raised and repaired in less than a year. Conte di Cavour similarly sunk but raised, repairs not completed before Italy bailed on the war. On the one hand, impressive damage for the small number of strike aircraft involved. On the other, everything that was sunk was raised, so not "sunk" in game terms.

It might be helpful to make a distinction between "sunk" and "destroyed." "Sunk" in shallow water can be fixed, even if it might not be cost-effective to do so.

If the distinction makes no sense to you, here's the famous picture of the destroyer USS Shaw exploding during the Pearl Harbor attack:

...and here's how it looked when it was done sinking:

Incidentally, that framework-looking thing around it was a floating drydock, YFD-2 by designation. The Shaw sunk so hard it dragged the drydock underwater with itself.

Sunk, but not destroyed. Here's the Shaw back in fleet operations, October 1942:

Nine months: not just repaired, but back working with the fleet.