Why not build on Darkest Hours expanded timeline for next expansion?

[nett40]

An idea for a possible Hearts of Iron III "Red Alert" expansion

I know this is an immense undertaking, but what I've seen done in DH could make this a very obvious next step, in Paradox's game development plans...

A new game/scenario(s)/expansion about the rise, life and fall of the Soviet Union based on the HoI-3 engine. New timeline 1914/1917 - 1989/1992.

What if the Reds had launched an all out attack on the West following a succesful communist revolution in Germany in 1919? What if Stalin had attacked Nazi-Germany and Poland in 1936? What if the Soviets had entered the Korean War in 1950? Or the Arab-Israli wars in 1967 and 1973?

Just think... Europa Universalis III (1399-1820), Victoria II (1836-1901) and Hearts of Iron III (1914-1989)

 

[juv95hrn]

Because this is a WWII game? I'd prefer to have it as near perfect as possible before dedicating 2 pennies to other time periods. Let modders sort what you suggest out.

 

[impspy]

Because this is a WWII game? I'd prefer to have it as near perfect as possible before dedicating 2 pennies to other time periods. Let modders sort what you suggest out.

+1

I'd rather have the best WW2 experiance the devs can give.

 

[Chromos]

An idea for a possible Hearts of Iron III "Red Alert" expansion

I know this is an immense undertaking, but what I've seen done in DH could make this a very obvious next step, in Paradox's game development plans...

A new game/scenario(s)/expansion about the rise, life and fall of the Soviet Union based on the HoI-3 engine. New timeline 1914/1917 - 1989/1992.

What if the Reds had launched an all out attack on the West following a succesful communist revolution in Germany in 1919? What if Stalin had attacked Nazi-Germany and Poland in 1936? What if the Soviets had entered the Korean War in 1950? Or the Arab-Israli wars in 1967 and 1973?

Just think... Europa Universalis III (1399-1820), Victoria II (1836-1901) and Hearts of Iron III (1914-1989)

That could be also nice ideas for Battle scenarios?

For Cold War ("and beyond" '45-'00?) there is already one Mod in the works.. August Storm..

And two Modern Day Mod..

And also I'm aiming to have the timeframe from 1900-1970+ in the Ahoi-Treasure..
Check out my sig below..

And is Vicky 2 not ending in 1936 already?

Kind regards,
Chromos

 

[xtfoster]

For one thing DH doesn't extend the timeline. Without modding, you can't play from 1914 until 1964. You can play from the end of June 1914 until 1920 or you can play from Jan 1, 1936 until Dec 31, 1963 but not the interwar years.

For another, HOI doesn't really have the capability to accurately model the Cold War

 

[Slan]

For another, HOI doesn't really have the capability to accurately model the Cold War

This. You would need a completely new system to get that to work properly.

I don't know much about how DH handles the post-WWII era, but in HoI2, the campaign starting in '45 was already a Hot War, not a Cold one, and if you played from an earlier campaign, it was plain dull. Hearts of Iron is about global warfare. In the Cold War period, the two superpowers tried very hard not to get involved directly in wars, but use covert and proxy methods to hurt the other. Without introducing a whole lotta new stuff to give you this, it wouldn't work. On the other hand, you can kick out most of the current war mechanics, since they wouldn't really be needed anymore. It would be a different game.


Another thing that is not present in DH but causes problems in extending the timeline of HoI3 is the linear tech system. You can't keep researching stuff and get linearly increaseing results. Take speed for example. If your ships gain 0.5 mph-s per tech, that is 1 mph-s every four years. If the game lasts all through the Cold War, your ships will get into space.

 

[jju_57]

Because this is a WWII game? I'd prefer to have it as near perfect as possible before dedicating 2 pennies to other time periods. Let modders sort what you suggest out.

+1

I'd rather have the best WW2 experiance the devs can give.

+2

 

[Danmark Rising]

If the game lasts all through the Cold War, your ships will get into space.

Several years ago I played in an old Pen and paper RPG and one of the scenarios we did was tracking down some mad scientist that had taken the USS Enterprise aircraft carrier and converted it into an orbital weapons platform.

Personally I'd love to see the time line expanded. Although it's not a high priority for me. I'm sure the issues with tech and such are not insurmountable. Just as a general rule I always change the end date in the defines file to 2000.

 

[podcat]

We have discussed this before and HoI 3 would require a lot of rework to make the kind of cold war game we envision. Imo its better to focus on making an even better ww2 game.

 

[Rancher]

Absolutely definitely make HOI 3 the best WWii game. We all have lists of things that we want improved and at the top for many of us is the naval war. Much of the post war strategy was involved with force projection by naval means and at this stage of developement HOI3 couldnt handle this. How on earth could it handle one of the most important campaigns of WWIII, the reinforcement of Europe from the states by escorted convoys and the resulting carrier battles. Even if carrier on one side and land based long range aircraft on the other. We havent even considered the way it would handle an attack on a NATO fleet by SOV bombers with stand off weapons . And on and on.
Thank heavens it seems that the Pardox Developement Team members share this opinion. What on earth is wrong with a brand new game anyway.

 

[Chromos]

We have discussed this before and HoI 3 would require a lot of rework to make the kind of cold war game we envision. Imo its better to focus on making an even better ww2 game.

But maybe we can do something with a nice "undeclared war" feature from FTM in the near future?
So little hot wars in a big cold one..?

Kind regards,
Chromos

 

[comsubpac]

But maybe we can do something with a nice "undeclared war" feature from FTM in the near future?
So little hot wars in a big cold one..?

Kind regards,
Chromos

but how boring would a cold war be? your troops sit around and wait for something that will never happen... a little research and spying would be all you can do.

 

[Innocent Beard]

...the kind of cold war game we envision...

Hmmmm...that leads me to believe that we might see a cold-war game somtime in the future...or atleast so you guys hope. M I right?

 

[Rancher]

Yes Sometime in the future. Please concentrate on oimproving what we already have first

 

[MadUrb]

Doing the Cold War might be doable for like say the period 1979 (Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan) until mid 1990s with the fall of the wall in 1989 going differently by events and event chains.
But in that case the Cold War gets Hot to make the game more playable. So the period from 1979 to mid 80s are somewhat equal to 1936-39 with plenty of brush fires that might spark all out war. Of course if anyone would like to play a game without any war then he might be able to but that might be boring for the majority

 

[jamhaw]

We have discussed this before and HoI 3 would require a lot of rework to make the kind of cold war game we envision. Imo its better to focus on making an even better ww2 game.

I agree, you should just make the best Second World War game you can, for the Cold War it would be better to just make a brand new game.

 

[pacja]

I agree, you should just make the best Second World War game you can, for the Cold War it would be better to just make a brand new game.

This. A Cold War game imho would probably be more similar to V2 than HoI3 and more oriented towards diplomacy, intelligence and balance of power than pure military strategy. I'd be extremely happy to buy it if Paradox will release it (as a developer, not as a publisher)!

 

[Metz]

but how boring would a cold war be? your troops sit around and wait for something that will never happen... a little research and spying would be all you can do.

Don't forget the buildup of nuclear missiles..

 

[Tharsonius]

Don't forget the buildup of nuclear missiles..

And you win when the other side goes bankrupt. FUN!

 

[jamhaw]

And you win when the other side goes bankrupt. FUN!

Do not forget the funneling of aid to the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan or sending support to rebels to undermine South Africa. You can cut Hearts of Iron down to "Commies win, Nazis win Allies win" but it is much more than that.