Why no War of the Austrian Succession startdate?

[Druplesnubb]

So I checked the first of quill18's new videos, which showed me all the bookmarked startdates for the first time. I then noticed that the War of the Austrian Succession wasn't included. This seems pretty strange to me, since it was a multicontinental eight years long war with two of Europe's most famous leaders (Maria Theresa and Frederick the Great) taking the center stage. It seems like a no-brainer to incluse for all the Austria and/or Prussia fans. It can't be the fact that it's only 16 years before the Seven years' war, since there are alot of bookmarks who are just as close to each other, like the American and French revolutions (13 years apart), the New World and League of Cambrai (16 years) and the two first bookmarks (7 years)

Speaking of which, the bookmarks seems to be really unevenly distributed with some (the ones previously mentioned) being really close to each other while others are really far apart. For example, there's 61 years between Cambrai and and the 80 Years' War. But even that is nothing compared to the massive gaping hole of 83 years between the 30 Years' War and the Spanish Succession. Seriously, there's only a single bookmark in the entire 17th centure, at the very beginning. Compare this to the five bookmarks in the 18th century. The 15th century also has a whopping three bokmarks despite only half of the century actually being in the ame while the 16th only has two. Seriously, we seem to be dealing with some kind of mid-game drought of bookmarked startdates here.

 

[turnad]

So I checked the first of quill18's new videos, which showed me all the bookmarked startdates for the first time. I then noticed that the War of the Austrian Succession wasn't included. This seems pretty strange to me, since it was a multicontinental eight years long war with two of Europe's most famous leaders (Maria Theresa and Frederick the Great) taking the center stage. It seems like a no-brainer to incluse for all the Austria and/or Prussia fans. It can't be the fact that it's only 16 years before the Seven years' war, since there are alot of bookmarks who are just as close to each other, like the American and French revolutions (13 years apart), the New World and League of Cambrai (16 years) and the two first bookmarks (7 years)

Speaking of which, the bookmarks seems to be really unevenly distributed with some (the ones previously mentioned) being really close to each other while others are really far apart. For example, there's 61 years between Cambrai and and the 80 Years' War. But even that is nothing compared to the massive gaping hole of 83 years between the 30 Years' War and the Spanish Succession. Seriously, there's only a single bookmark in the entire 17th centure, at the very beginning. Compare this to the five bookmarks in the 18th century. The 15th century also has a whopping three bokmarks despite only half of the century actually being in the ame while the 16th only has two. Seriously, we seem to be dealing with some kind of mid-game drought of bookmarked startdates here.

If it is like EU3 you can choose any date you want.

 

[Druplesnubb]

I already know that. That still doesn't actually explain anything, it just means it's not as big of a deal as it could have been.

 

[turnad]

I already know that. That still doesn't actually explain anything, it just means it's not as big of a deal as it could have been.

My best guess; Paradox just don't know enough about it to write it.

 

[ABookshelf]

I already know that. That still doesn't actually explain anything, it just means it's not as big of a deal as it could have been.

That means you can just go to the date that it began and start the game from there if you want to play that war.

 

[Druplesnubb]

As I said, I already know that. You even quoted the post where I said that I already know that.

 

[Docshadow]

So I checked the first of quill18's new videos, which showed me all the bookmarked startdates for the first time. I then noticed that the War of the Austrian Succession wasn't included. This seems pretty strange to me, since it was a multicontinental eight years long war with two of Europe's most famous leaders (Maria Theresa and Frederick the Great) taking the center stage. It seems like a no-brainer to incluse for all the Austria and/or Prussia fans. It can't be the fact that it's only 16 years before the Seven years' war, since there are alot of bookmarks who are just as close to each other, like the American and French revolutions (13 years apart), the New World and League of Cambrai (16 years) and the two first bookmarks (7 years)

Speaking of which, the bookmarks seems to be really unevenly distributed with some (the ones previously mentioned) being really close to each other while others are really far apart. For example, there's 61 years between Cambrai and and the 80 Years' War. But even that is nothing compared to the massive gaping hole of 83 years between the 30 Years' War and the Spanish Succession. Seriously, there's only a single bookmark in the entire 17th centure, at the very beginning. Compare this to the five bookmarks in the 18th century. The 15th century also has a whopping three bokmarks despite only half of the century actually being in the ame while the 16th only has two. Seriously, we seem to be dealing with some kind of mid-game drought of bookmarked startdates here.

The build used for Quill18's video, by his admission at the start of the first clip, wasn't too recent. I would be willing to hazard a guess that a decent bit of time spent polishing the game is setting bookmarks and the required OOBs etc. But that's just a guess.

 

[ABookshelf]

As I said, I already know that. You even quoted the post where I said that I already know that.

I'm just confused cause there doesn't seem to be any problem here.

 

[GreatSlayer]

It just wasn't that big a deal.
<_<

 

[Chamboozer]

I'm not exactly sure what the problem is. Not having a bookmark only means you have to spend an extra 30 seconds finding the start date you want, and if you know much about the War of Austrian Succession it shouldn't be hard to find your ideal date anyway. After you start the game it makes no difference whether you used a bookmark or a custom start date.

 

[Illanair]

I'm not exactly sure what the problem is. Not having a bookmark only means you have to spend an extra 30 seconds finding the start date you want, and if you know much about the War of Austrian Succession it shouldn't be hard to find your ideal date anyway. After you start the game it makes no difference whether you used a bookmark or a custom start date.

Not true - Dedicated bookmarks are much more accurate to the date regarding events and such. Manually changing the dates will only approximate your scenario.

 

[Chamboozer]

Is this a new EUIV feature? If not, what exactly is different in EUIII between bookmarked dates and non-bookmarked dates?

 

[Illanair]

Is this a new EUIV feature? If not, what exactly is different in EUIII between bookmarked dates and non-bookmarked dates?

... Nothing.

 

[Chamboozer]

Then what I said was not untrue, there is no difference between selecting a dedicated bookmark and choosing a start date of your own.

 

[Illanair]

Then what I said was not untrue, there is no difference between selecting a dedicated bookmark and choosing a start date of your own.

Yes there is. Most importantly the pre-set start dates are "pre-balanced" for optimal playability.

 

[Druplesnubb]

The bookmarked dates are there to show the players examples of interesting starting dates so they won't have to search for them themselves. It's a way for the developers to say "big stuff is happening at this date, maybe you should try starting here!" Thus it's wierd that one of the most notable wars of the time wasn't included. It's also a way to let the player know what's going on. Basically: alot of people think the Thirty and Eighty Years' Wars and the American and French Revolutions are really cool things, so the devs use the bookmarked dates to let these players find those events more easily. Alot of people also think Frederick the Great, Maria Theresa and the Seven Years' War are really cool but the devs don't bother giving them a bookmark, and I don't know what the logic behind this was. If they included it as a bookmark I would probably never play it, but I'm not the only customer for this game.

The bookmarks also fill the player in on how the world changes over the years. By adding a description of the state of the world at every bookmark they make it easier for the player to understand and keep track of all the developments that are going on and what makes Europe in 1536 different from Europue in 1771. This is where having these 83 year long timeskips gets problematic. Skipping ahead almost 100 years in the timeline without showing what changes in the meantime causes a big gap in this guide to the player. Skipping like this also makes it harder for the player to know why he might want to play during that time and what the most interesting events and situations from that period are.

 

[ABookshelf]

People almost always just play from the start anyway

 

[ABookshelf]

If they included it as a bookmark I would probably never play it

Again not seeing what the problem is here...You can't expect them to include every important event

 

[Chamboozer]

Yes there is. Most importantly the pre-set start dates are "pre-balanced" for optimal playability.

Then I ask again what's actually different about them. The army sizes?

The only thing I see in the code about bookmarks is an identification of the day they're on, their descriptions, and the recommended countries. Am I missing something or are these 'pre-balanced' differences hardcoded?

 

[unmerged(584823)]

Again not seeing what the problem is here...You can't expect them to include every important event

When this event already was in the last game, I think you can, but, anyway, that's not very important, just a small detail, I guess this "omission" shows PI worked well on more important parts of the game. And I'm kinda sure they fixed it so far.

edit: Well, I think it was in EUIII, Isn't it ?