why no d-fens pacts with tributaries?

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Slarkon

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so if you have a trib you want to keep getting tha €$£ so you guarantee indep but they dont do the same for you. no way to have them assist you in any way - cant join veds or serve as vassels just do they own theing and eventually just die. I think trib should have to request if it can declare war because allot of the time the tribs get into wars they declare and lose so your guarantee of independence was useless
 

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So you want it to be a vassal, but better? It seems a bit overpowered and would raise the warscore needed to make a tributary too high. I look at it as like a "deal you cant refuse" where they pay a fee for my "protection services", if I need their military help to survive then why would they continue to pay me?
 

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so if you have a trib you want to keep getting tha €$£ so you guarantee indep but they dont do the same for you. no way to have them assist you in any way - cant join veds or serve as vassels just do they own theing and eventually just die. I think trib should have to request if it can declare war because allot of the time the tribs get into wars they declare and lose so your guarantee of independence was useless
tributaries don't want to BE tributaries so they are not going to help you enforce it on them, by being a tributary they are paying you to leave them alone that's all you have no other control on them.
 

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Huh.... no thanks. Having to balance your own power against that which is necessary to keep your tributaries in line is an important part of play. If tributaries can't go to war to increase their own power or even to get themselves in trouble enough to increase the power level of one of your soon to be rivals, than that part of the game becomes too static, and boring.

Don't re-instate your pledge of protection, let that rebellious little tributary get eaten as is nature's way, and then get yourself an even bigger protectorate when you beat the empire that ate him.