Why nerf hordes more

[Wizzington]

The existing design on Hordes is that they should reform or die, pretty much. You can argue that design should change, but leaving an exploity workaround (recruiting in foreign cores) is not the way to go about it.

 

[Wizzington]

I'm all for more challenge, but stripping away a gameplay feature and leaving nothing in its wake is a little rough.

Hordes using that was always more of a bug than a feature, since only players did it and it was very obviously a loophole around the intended design of units not improving.

 

[Wizzington]

But why would the hordes get stuck with one level of unit when the native american have dozens ?

Because hordes change unit type on reforming government, natives use same units even Westernized.

 

[Wizzington]

It's all well and good pointing out what makes hordes weak, but what I think we need to do is make practiceable suggestions about how to make them better.

I'm by no means saying the current design is perfect, just that you don't solve design issues through bugs and loopholes. This is part of my design philosophy, and I doubt it's going to change.

Start a thread with suggestions on how to improve hordes and I will read it.

 

[Wizzington]

Err... it wasn't an exploit. The mechanic had to have been intentionally and explicitly included, so it was working as designed.

And it made sense. Recruiting local military should look like the military of the *people* who live there. If anything, you should *only* be able to hire those units, and not your own national units - the local population doesn't completely switch over to nomadism in 23 months. If I was going to make a change, I'd use culture and foreign cores as the sole determinant of units available to hire, and national units only become available when it's *only* your own core on the province. (Enough time has passed that the populace has become fully integrated into your way of doing things).

It was an exploit in regards to hordes because hordes were not meant to get better units. It wasn't an exploit for anyone else, but it's a redundant mechanic for everyone else now that tech groups are balanced anyhow.

 

[DDRJake]

Having thought about it, I'm okay with this change. Coming up with strategies to terrorize as a late game horde will be fun.