Why Muscovy?

[Rexos]

Why?
I'd like to tell I'm not here to complain but.....

https://imgur.com/a/UUFtb

Why?
With the favors cossacks dlc introduced it became harder to conquer using allies, and that's nothing bad in that but then, your ally must not be in debt, must have good manpower, must not be in an other war, must like you and THEN.....they refuse to enter this war for a good reason......just look at the screenshots, Muscovy and ottomans are like bestfriends, basically allies with 100 trust each, I understand they cannot enter....

 

[Sfan]

Well, I think you would have a lot more reason to complain if the game allowed your good friend to accept going to war against you because his ally called him in.
Alliances are first and foremost defensive tools, as they historically were and as they should be. You should not be able to abuse your allies to get benefits if they have nothing to gain from this.

Besides, there are many things that seem wrong with what you say/show. Muscovy can't have 100 trust with the Ottomans if they do not have an alliance or any other kind of special interaction. They are probably just friendly.
Also, you have 0 positive reason for them joining, which means you don't have diprep or trust with them. Sure that would not help them to join here, but that's still an issue, especially for defensive wars (in before you create another thread when they dishonor a defensive call to arms).

The situation is not bad, just take it from another perspective. The Ottomans are friendly with Muscovy and not allied, which means you can still attack the Ottomans. Muscovy is a defensive ally against the Ottomans which means they won't attack you in a moment of weakness. The Ottomans are aligning themselves with Muscovy and not Hungary or Lithuania, which prevents this situation where they would call them against you. With both Mamluks and Austria in this is probably a free win for you, and Muscovy does not exhaust themselves, so they are still here to defend you from any attack, should it happen.

 

[Rexos]

Sorry.....I was sarcastic.....they are no allied, they do not have 100 trust....and that's why I don't understand that -60 for joining the war, also I know I have 0 reason for them to join my war, but the -60 alone makes it impossible anyway......I could hire a diplomatic advisor and wait for them to finish the war and repay the debt but they wouldn't join the same

 

[Robert de Bruce]

Well, you need to understand. Muscovy and Ottomans are both heirs to the Roman Empire and you are the remaining Roman Empire. You need to die so they can fulfill their destiny.

 

[Basterbane]

Is Muscovy and Ottomans friendly attitude towards each other? Do they share rivals? If either of their monarchs is militarist maybe you could ruin their relations by going to war with Lithuania or GH and give Muscovy land to get border with Ottoman Empire.

 

[Rexos]

I can't go to war with llithuania because they are allied with Austria....well, it doesn't matter, I'll go without them

 

[Fanstar1]

I can't go to war with llithuania because they are allied with Austria....well, it doesn't matter, I'll go without them

even without that, Muscovy is in debt

 

[Rexos]

Yep......allies, always a problem...ALWAYS, like hungary the only nation capable to get more than 1100 ducats o debt in 1460.....they are never by your side when you need them most...

 

[ponasozis]

why do you even need muscovy when you can call in mamluks and austria and just stomp ottoman

 

[Rexos]

BECAUSEH I want to WRECK THEM......and because I need a quick war and I want 100 war score, that was why

 

[ecrurudesby]

BECAUSEH I want to WRECK THEM......and because I need a quick war and I want 100 war score, that was why

Consider yourself lucky to be able to count on Austria and Mamluks, and don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

 

[Rexos]

I AM THE EMPIRE! I DON'T CONSIDER MY SELF LUCKY, I'M LUCK! I SHALL DESTROY

 

[DanubianCossak]

See ^ thats why

 

[Rexos]

maybe you're right.....but who cares

 

[TheMeInTeam]

"Friendly attitude" is way too heavy of a modifier. The player can do this manually too (it's an extreme chore but you can) and it will similarly block DoW.