Why Muscovy is forming Russia less often in 1.14

[Oldpara]

There was a thread about Muscovy sometimes not forming Russia in 1.14 for some reason. I think I figured out why.

Propably its about new Diplomatic Feedback system and new way of vassals transferring occupation to overlord.

Please see attached screenshot.

Muscovy is doing rather well, but it cannot form Russia becasue it lacks Novogrod. Pskov is vassal of Russia and for some reason its not integraded yet (look at the year). Muscovy wanted to annex Novogrod but its like 2nd or 3rd Muscovite - Novogrod war ending like this: war reparatoins ;/ And no - Novogrod doesn't have strong allies - its only a shadow.

I think the reason is Pskov's ambitious Leader wants everything form Novogrod and half of Commonwealth and he is not transferring occupation to Muscovy (overlord). And since Pskov army is closer to Novogrod at the start of war he is the siege leader and he occupy the province. Muscovy doesn't want to give Novogrod away to Pskov so war is ending with war reparations instead of full annexation.

So yes, vassals not transferring provinces to overlord right away like it use to be is annoying for the AI as well

 

[Wizzington]

Russia is forming consistently in 1.15. See some quite strong ones stretching to the pacific too.

 

[Oldpara]

Good to hear. I find Muscovy/Russia AI little to weak in 1.14.
You did good job with balancing France and PLC so I put Trust and 10 favours in you

 

[ChildeR]

Haven't really seen this, but Russia is no longer picking expansion ideas so Novgorod-formed Russia (which I saw once) cannot colonize Siberia and even Muscovy-formed is slower at it.

 

[melkor88]

It's been a while since I've seen a strong Russia so I will look forward to 1.15 then

 

[sr999]

Good to hear. I find Muscovy/Russia AI little to weak in 1.14.
You did good job with balancing France and PLC so I put Trust and 10 favours in you

Doesn't Wiz ignore favors when his allies CTA in multiplayer?

 

[Artess]

Haven't really seen this, but Russia is no longer picking expansion ideas so Novgorod-formed Russia (which I saw once) cannot colonize Siberia and even Muscovy-formed is slower at it.

I think more frontier-adjacent countries should pick Expansion more readily. I quite often see Perm blocking Muscovy from colonising even in the late game, and they don't do it themselves either.

 

[Thesian]

I think the reason is Pskov's ambitious Leader wants everything form Novogrod and half of Commonwealth and he is not transferring occupation to Muscovy (overlord).

Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity. Vassals don't have to transfer land they occupy to their overlord, if it's not the vassals core, it is automatically occupied by the overlord without any chance of the vassal interfering.
So what happens here is Muscovy actually actively transfering control to their vassal but apparently not feeding it to the vassal in the peace deal. Today I had France declare an Imperialist war on Spain and transfer every single occupied province on the Iberian peninsula to one of their colonial nations. So what did France take in the peace deal? Two island provinces in the Mediterranean, because thats what he could demand in the peace deal, having transfered away all border provinces.

 

[ChildeR]

I think more frontier-adjacent countries should pick Expansion more readily. I quite often see Perm blocking Muscovy from colonising even in the late game, and they don't do it themselves either.

No one there is picking expansion since the AI weights restrict it to those who already have exploration. (Plus CNs.)

        modifier = {
            factor = 0
            NOT = { has_idea_group = exploration_ideas }
            NOT = { is_colonial_nation = yes }
        }

 

[Mizz2]

Almost in all of my games, Novgorod was eating Muscovy. There was one time Ryazan actually took Moscow and become almost big as novgorod....

 

[DicRoNero]

Ivan the Great should have better ADM, that's it. 3 is a joke for someone who virtually created Russia.

 

[Dakka]

Russia is forming consistently in 1.15. See some quite strong ones stretching to the pacific too.

It's good to hear that AI for the majors is being worked on for 1.15 Really looking forward to the patch!

Is there anything in progress for Austria superblobbing in HRE or Ottomans allying everyone and their brother? Almost sounds like their AIs were swapped lol.

 

[Boodas]

Ivan the Great should have better ADM, that's it. 3 is a joke for someone who virtually created Russia.

But then he would always die to hunting accident before ascending the throne.

 

[diceyy]

Part of it is that muscovy are eating tver and ryazan far less often than they ought to be

 

[Sunspawn]

Part of it is that muscovy are eating tver and ryazan far less often than they ought to be

Historically, Muscovy inherited them, not conquered them.

 

[DicRoNero]

Historically, Muscovy inherited them, not conquered them.

Back when PUs didn't impose LD, I had a strategy of releasing Yaroslavl and then force-PU'ing them along with Tver and Ryazan, then selling them some of my lands and joining HRE diplomatically while still maintaining a fair chaince of eventually inheriting them without wasting MPs and tanking dip rep, so counterproductive for the emperorship. Good old days. Nowadays I don't see why anyone would deliberately stage it.

 

[Sunspawn]

Back when PUs didn't impose LD, I had a strategy of releasing Yaroslavl and then force-PU'ing them along with Tver and Ryazan, then selling them some of my lands and joining HRE diplomatically while still maintaining a fair chaince of eventually inheriting them without wasting MPs and tanking dip rep, so counterproductive for the emperorship. Good old days. Nowadays I don't see why anyone would deliberately stage it.

2-3PM PUs will never have high LD. Unlike vassals, they do not share a collective LD modifier based on total strength.

 

[Black Conqueror]

In my game, Muscovy (which picked MARITIME IDEAS) formed Russia around 1670 due to Tver owning Novgorod (but nor Tver and with 0 allies) and having obscene amounts of development in both its capital and Nov.- around those of PARIS AND LONDON!

 

[DicRoNero]

2-3PM PUs will never have high LD. Unlike vassals, they do not share a collective LD modifier based on total strength.

But they were not 2-3 PM PUs. You effectively had to have about 8-10 (!) provinces yourself, give or take, in order to join HRE even with +200 relations. Hence selling quite a lot of provinces.

 

[AndreasPhokas]

Perm and Novgorod(as well as the steppe hordes at higher tech if they survive) should pic expansion or exploration.