Why Mengkukuo but no Manchukuo?

[Evan05]

So I noticed that Japan now starts off with the puppet state of Mengkukuo. My question is why is Mengkukuo, a small puppet formed in 1939 exists, but Manchukuo, a puppet formed before 1936 is excluded from the game?

Some people thought (though I'm not sure if the Devs ever confirmed or said it) it was because the Japan AI simply could not properly handle defending Manchukuo, or that it caused issues. If that is true, then why is Mengkukuo fine? Would it not cause issues as well? And more so, I think it feels really out of place and inconsistent to have Mengkukuo but not Manchukuo.

 

[erkkijuusto]

I think I recall a dev saying that Manchukuo causes problems with AI Japan's supplies attacking china, not sure though.

 

[Number 7]

the land border with china is important for the AI. warring through a puppet's land makes it harder apparantly

 

[LordOfWar16]

The same reason why danzig, egypt etc arent reflected as independant/puppet nations aswell (which they effectively werent anyway since heaviely controlled by the overlord). It greatly helps out the ai to organize, upgrade and defend that territory.

 

[Evan05]

the land border with china is important for the AI. warring through a puppet's land makes it harder apparantly

The same reason why danzig, egypt etc arent reflected as independant/puppet nations aswell (which they effectively werent anyway since heaviely controlled by the overlord). It greatly helps out the ai to organize, upgrade and defend that territory.

Then I'm confused by Mengkukuo, a puppet that borders China more than Manchukuo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mengjiang#/media/File:Mengjiang.png
(Note: Mengjiang is Mengkukuo)

doesn't cause problems as well with organization and supply.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

Have they added Mengkukuo, then? I hadn't noticed. Neither were there before.

 

[LordOfWar16]

Then I'm confused by Mengkukuo, a puppet that borders China more than Manchukuo (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mengjiang#/media/File:Mengjiang.png

doesn't cause problems as well with organization and supply.

It is not about china, it is about the entire area up there. Manchukuo would make it extremely hard if not impossible for japan to propperly defend or attack, since it would block off basicly all but korea for them to interact with.

Supply would be a mess, since they couldnt build up the infrastructure. They also couldnt build fortifications, airbases, ports etc, all what is needed for a propper invasion or even for defense against the soviet union. Japan would basicly be forced to invade china by sea without much air support because of that.

 

[Number 7]

Then I'm confused by Mengkukuo, a puppet that borders China more than Manchukuo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mengjiang#/media/File:Mengjiang.png
(Note: Mengjiang is Mengkukuo)

doesn't cause problems as well with organization and supply.

because right now japan still has its land border, but if both were added it would lose it which would have negative implications for the AI

 

[Evan05]

Have they added Mengkukuo, then? I hadn't noticed. Neither were there before.

They have added it, yes.

because right now japan still has its land border, but if both were added it would lose it which would have negative implications for the AI

I see. That makes sense.