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Because Argentina has negative ic. Extremly negative in fact. How is that even possible?
PS: Given that the unit has almost no strenght left and has no supplies left either ESE does not matter.
PS2: Giving Argentina 5000 supplies would of course remedy the supply situation.
PS: Given that the unit has almost no strenght left and has no supplies left either ESE does not matter.
PS2: Giving Argentina 5000 supplies would of course remedy the supply situation.
Argentina's IC is minus 2 trillion! 
You might consider kicking them out of the Axis, DOWing them, and setting it up using a few Spanish MTN troops to triangulate in the nil-IC region of southern Chile and Argentina; and German GAR in all the good places to get something out of it. Never seen this before.
In the below there are 3 Spainish MTN in the "white southern portion" (which is Spanish territory)... then GAR in the green German areas. Chile and Argentina areas combined is giving me 17.8 IC. All my GAR are in good climate regions, while most of the Spanish region is sub-Arctic, and has no IC.
Below: Present day. Note that the Spanish supply themselves by convoy from Madrid... in this case to Belize City (cause I gave that useless jungle to Spain also) and then overland to any Spanish troops anywhere in continental Americas. No problems. See Below.
Your incredible experience has reminded me of the incredible experience I had when I attacked Argentina. Even though their troops were identical models and brigades as all the other countries' armies, the Argentians retreated nearly immediately upon start of any battle. Never encountered anything like it.... retreating while org ~90%. They were the easiest to conquer by far.
You might consider kicking them out of the Axis, DOWing them, and setting it up using a few Spanish MTN troops to triangulate in the nil-IC region of southern Chile and Argentina; and German GAR in all the good places to get something out of it. Never seen this before.
In the below there are 3 Spainish MTN in the "white southern portion" (which is Spanish territory)... then GAR in the green German areas. Chile and Argentina areas combined is giving me 17.8 IC. All my GAR are in good climate regions, while most of the Spanish region is sub-Arctic, and has no IC.
Below: Present day. Note that the Spanish supply themselves by convoy from Madrid... in this case to Belize City (cause I gave that useless jungle to Spain also) and then overland to any Spanish troops anywhere in continental Americas. No problems.
See Below.
Your incredible experience has reminded me of the incredible experience I had when I attacked Argentina. Even though their troops were identical models and brigades as all the other countries' armies, the Argentians retreated nearly immediately upon start of any battle. Never encountered anything like it.... retreating while org ~90%. They were the easiest to conquer by far.
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How the F#{& did this happen! Talk about deficit spending! Did I give them too many provinces too fast?
Sounds like another major 1.11 bug!
I spent good $$$ bribing them into the Axis!! And to think I was going to "Retire" there if things went South for my cause!
Now you tell me...
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I doubt it is a bug. What I see is that you loaded them down with all the partisans that exist in Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay. That has decreased the TC capacity so that TC is OVERLOADED by 149/13. You did not give Argentina anything too fast, I would guess,, just far too many "high Revolt Risk" provinces considering Argentina's small IC. This extreme negative situation seems to be responsible for the complete destruction of their economy is my best guess.
When I give "bad provinces" to my allies, I try to spread around the burden, with nobody getting too much. And I use more capable countries. For example:
- Canada = 50ic has 12 bad provinces (most under 20% RR). I do not have the Canadian army fighting in any war because of the TC reduction they incur because of this.
- Vichy France = 47ic has the most bad provinces, but I don't use any of their forces for fighting.
- N. Spain = 50ic and has only relatively few bad provinces as I employ all their MTN, so want its TC to be good.
The strategy of giving away bad provinces is a good one - generally - but does need to consider the burden also so given away.
Sorry, I only learned now that you even have Argentina. But best you check Brazil because that nation you seem to have loaded down with all the remaining partisan provinces in S. America.
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Argentina's IC is minus 2 trillion!
I think inflation might be a bit out of control there.
Seriously so a lot of high RR provinces and low/zero IC can have that sort of effect? Nasty and definitely something to avoid. Useful to know, thanks.
I do not know for sure. Never seen that before. But, "yes" many partisans reduce your actual useable TC. Mouse-over the TC icon. That is for certain. Now, with great TC overload, there is very reduced ESE = very little supply can reach units.
But as regards the -2 trillion IC, I am just guessing that perhaps that is what can happen in very bad economies. For sure the many high partisan provinces are hurting things a lot, but am indeed surprised it can get this terrible.
But as regards the -2 trillion IC, I am just guessing that perhaps that is what can happen in very bad economies. For sure the many high partisan provinces are hurting things a lot, but am indeed surprised it can get this terrible.
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Not quite. Just with its national provinces Argentina should have an effective ic of 54 and a tc of 105, which with a tc load of 149 is still somewhat acceptable and with the additional ic from nonnational provinces ic might be almost 40% higher and thus tc close to 149. There is nothing wrong there.
There definitively is something wrong with the ic. The cause seems to be that resources are highly negative. The mouseover explains this part quite well.
Those negative resources should have never occured. So why did they occur? I donnot exclude the possibility that it is caused by the hardware. There always is some chance for errors, but while the system is operating within specifications the chances for this are very slim. At this point i can only speculate which i do dislike.
Ambassador Neurath has extended our condolences to the Representatives from Argentina. Our shipments of 5,000 units of supplies, energy, metal, rares, oil and Deutschmarks was dispatched as soon could as could be achieved. We are deeply troubled that their arrival was inadequate, or untimely. All possible relief efforts will continue at as rapid a pace as possible.
We extend our thanks to Argentina for choosing to join voluntarily our great movement.
Of course, we must remind our South American friends of the unfortunate consequences that befall those nations whose ignorant leaders choose to stand in opposition to our enlightened, unifying efforts. We are all grateful that our Argentinian allies do not belong to this misguided, foolish group of malcontents.
Hail, Argentina!
Hail South America!
"M. E. G. A. - Making Earth Great Again!"
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You are so lucky that the Argentinians are all dying. It will make it so much easier for when you DOW them... which is the only good Kraut solution.
My condolences.
My condolences.
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They are already loyal Axis members. I'm only planning on attacking the Empire's forces. Original Axis EU members, and those I brought in elsewhere, are fine.You are so lucky that the Argentinians are all dying. It will make it so much easier for when you DOW them... which is the only good Kraut solution. Or you could get a hammer and check the hardware.
Recall that I have 2 games going on in these threads. My post #356, page 18 of "Buggy" thread is our comparison game, in which I "Turned the political map green," conquering the entire world directly or by alliance on 8/29/44. At that point I decided on a "Man in the High Castle" continuation, pitting me and my European & New World allies against the soon-to-be-isolated Japanese Empire.
I have set aside, for now, the CAV game, as this one is the main, and the comparison, effort. Besides, once you've annexed the USA (as my motorcycles have done) it's all downhill from there. The USSR folds fairly easily with an "Uppercut" from Persia/India, and China is a pain, but never a true problem.
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Just to clarify, regarding your game in the other thread "Buggy" you got as far as 8/29/44 when you had Japan and her puppets as your allies. Right? That game (which was the comparison) are you continuing it with kicking Japan and her puppets out of the Axis? Or has that game ended?
No -- you got it right, but this game above is the same game. 8/29 was world conquest, the continuation is to eventually go after Japan & Her puppets
OK, that is good. What did you do after 8/29/44? Did you then liberate Argentina and Brazil in the continuing of that game? I was aware you had liberated Trans-Ural Republic but not anything else. Perhaps we could move this discussion to the "Buggy" thread.
I am aware you did other game restarting at Danzig and in that game you invaded USA with many CAV. I would rather keep discussion of that separate from discussing the game that reached 8/29/44 and how the 8/29/44 game continues to "the world isn't big enough" idea you had.
I am aware you did other game restarting at Danzig and in that game you invaded USA with many CAV. I would rather keep discussion of that separate from discussing the game that reached 8/29/44 and how the 8/29/44 game continues to "the world isn't big enough" idea you had.
Agreed. My "MC Gangs" game is suspended in "Political discussions," As after the annexation of USA it basically becomes a shabby imitator of "Our" contest.
It doesn't There's got to be a way to edit the savegame file to fix this bug...?
I do not know what game of yours is the "MC Gangs" game and did not get any meaning from your above. Regarding "our contest" that is clear, and I am trying to get a proper answer if that is still on or not. Thank you.
I do hope you will continue and will go to the Buggy thread to get it clear there.
The CAV game. Currently suspended.
Me too, but since none of the programmers on this forum can be bothered to tell me how to fix -2 trillion in materials, etc, I don't know at this point.Regarding "our contest" that is clear, and I am trying to get a proper answer if that is still on or not. Thank you.
I do hope you will continue and will go to the Buggy thread to get it clear there.
Every unit in Argentina (except non-ARG units) is near death and there is nothing I can do about it. I have redeployed almost all my forces from S.A. to the Pacific, Burma & Siberia awaiting the time to attack Japan. I can not find anything in the unintelligible savegame file to change and I'm not going to spend hours cheat-coding 500 of each raw material into the country to counter -2 Trillion of shortages of each element.