Why is this game losing clout?

[NikkTheTrick]

This game is just awful. The graphics are mid-90's. The AI is maddening and completely ruins every game. The engine lags the hell out of even my top of the line computer.

Could you elaborate on those?
- Graphics... I've never been into Paradox games for graphics. The graphics are not bad, but not top either. Neither are graphics too good in GalCiv 2... Grpahics are generally a lower priority in strategy games.

- AI maddening and ruining games... How exactly is it doing that? Is it because it invades you when your war exhaustion is high? Is it because they do not accept every vassalization proposal you give them?

- Engine lags... What exactly do you mean by top of the line computer. Mine is definitely not and EU3 is not lagging.

 

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Could you elaborate on those?
- Graphics... I've never been into Paradox games for graphics. The graphics are not bad, but not top either. Neither are graphics too good in GalCiv 2... Grpahics are generally a lower priority in strategy games.

- AI maddening and ruining games... How exactly is it doing that? Is it because it invades you when your war exhaustion is high? Is it because they do not accept every vassalization proposal you give them?

- Engine lags... What exactly do you mean by top of the line computer. Mine is definitely not and EU3 is not lagging.

As far as the lagging, I think its a Mac port issue.

I'm not into Paradox games for the graphics either, but I'd at least like the map to look nice. When Paradox made the transistion to 3D I expected a professional job, not something that looks good for 1998.

As far as the AI, you are just being ridiclous in your feigned ignorance and self-flattering in your idiotic examples. In my final game as France I was in a war with Spain (who had no allies), and conquered all of the Spanish Netherlands as well as ALL of Iberia (minus Portugal). They controlled none of my provinces. That gave me a warscore of 67%, which is lame in itself for such a devastating victory, but moreover the only peace offers I would get from the AI were for a white peace.

Is that WAD? Seriously? Johan tried to make this game harder than EUII, but instead of doing that by improving the AI, he instead gave the AI so many cheats so as to make everything basically free, and made it insanely obstinante at the negotiating table. That is not skilled programming or design. I'm sorry man, I love you for EUII and Victoria, but you really really dropped the ball on your flagship title.

Moreover, I think Johan's similar attitude in this thread is a major part of the problem. Many companies pay good money to collect information on how their loyal customers feel about their products. Johan gets it for free and yet, or perhaps precisely for that reason, acts dismissive.

 

[NikkTheTrick]

As far as the AI, you are just being ridiclous in your feigned ignorance and self-flattering in your idiotic examples. In my final game as France I was in a war with Spain (who had no allies), and conquered all of the Spanish Netherlands as well as ALL of Iberia (minus Portugal). They controlled none of my provinces. That gave me a warscore of 67%, which is lame in itself for such a devastating victory, but moreover the only peace offers I would get from the AI were for a white peace.

Is that WAD?

Yes. And there is nothing stupid about that AI action since a human player would do the same.

You see, the issue is that Spain still has a large army. It just so happens that their army is over in the New World. And those provinces are rich, too!

Now, if you were a human player, would you give away provinces to your worst enemy even though most of your economy and army was OK? To make an enemy who beat you even stronger and ready to beat you again? Or would you wait untill your opponent gives up due to war exhaustion and possibly due to declaration of war from another nation? I would do the second.

 

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Yes. And there is nothing stupid about that AI action since a human player would do the same.

You see, the issue is that Spain still has a large army. It just so happens that their army is over in the New World. And those provinces are rich, too!

Now, if you were a human player, would you give away provinces to your worst enemy even though most of your economy and army was OK? To make an enemy who beat you even stronger and ready to beat you again? Or would you wait untill your opponent gives up due to war exhaustion and possibly due to declaration of war from another nation? I would do the second.

You're an idiot then. Are you telling me that a nation would allow their entire homelad to be taken over rather than give up a few provinces, like Franche Comte?

Sorry, but I have no tolerence for lame fan-boys like you. Go away.

 

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Even if you make some good points, I suppose you should refrain from insulting fellow forum members.

Head over to the mods forum where I am sure you'll find a better experience given your tastes.


Look at my sig (hint, hint!)

 

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Can you give me an example of a game that has an AI that you are happy with? A game with the scope of the EU series in regards to detail? Please dont provide Mods as examples because that is adding tweaks to a massive amount of work already in place. I would love to see a game that meets your expectations as a proper example of how to build a competent ai. I would be all over that game like flies on doo doo...

Victoria and HOI2 both have outstanding AI's.

 

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Even if you make some good points, I suppose you should refrain from insulting fellow forum members.

Head over to the mods forum where I am sure you'll find a better experience given your tastes.


Look at my sig (hint, hint!)

Niceities are for latent homosexuals.

I did download your mod and will try it out, though I doubt that will assuage my dissapointment with this farce of a game.

 

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I bought EU3 a couple weeks ago and I think its fantastic. I have played HOI2 and other Paradox games and they feel too structured. The same applies to MMG although I sometimes ometimes play that as well.



The whole idea of sandbox is fantastic. I can choose to colonize, peacefully expand or militarilary.


In HOI2 I was guided along the same path it wasn't fun. Wait for Danzig or (as Japan) the Macro Polo event. Every Hoi2 game was the same that I already knew the outcome before even playing it.


EU3 is always different and thats fun. It certaintly has more replay value than other Paradox games.

 

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Niceities are for latent homosexuals.

I wonder why you bothered to sign up for this forum in the first place. Is it just to start an insult spree in a two weeks old thread?

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