Why Is There A Dhimmi Faction In 100% Muslim Countries?

[SonofWinter]

I'm playing Mali, I've converted everyone to Sunni and now I have this pesky Dhimmi faction. They are 0% of the total provinces but somehow they hold 20% of the land and control require that I give them policies, just to get them to 50% so that when I seize land, they won't be revolting.

Why is a 100% Muslim nation have a faction that demands policies?

 

[bokorthedust]

Because everything is abstracted in EU4, and converting a province to your state religion doesn't necessarily mean that every single person who lives there follows that religion. Or would you prefer that it went away once you have no provinces that don't follow the state religion and came back every time you conquered a heathen or heretical province?

 

[Jespoke]

The real problems are that: a) almost all their privileges require having at least 1 wrong religion province to even give/maintain, and b) they have way too few options for loyalty because almost all of their privileges give none.

 

[Terixis]

Dhimmi bonuses are actually really strong especially for a rapid expansion game. If they're at high influence (which they'll usually have thanks to a high percentage of heathen land) you can pretty easily get that sweet -10% tech cost and +2 tolerance of heathens (or at least -7.5% and +1.5), which when combined with the +2 from the estate gets you up to +2 total with 100 legitimacy meaning you can ignore heathen provinces as soon as you start getting them. The manpower bonus privilege is also strong but comes with -5 loyalty which is a problem since the Dhimmi do have limited loyalty bonus options, but humanist ideas synergize perfectly with not converting heathen provinces and gives +10 loyalty so combined with supremacy over the crown, land rights, and calling diet you shouldn't have issues keeping them above 50% or even 60% loyalty. Obviously if you want to deus vult your way across the globe you can go ahead and just convert them since true faith unrest reduction is unbeatable but the Dhimmi are great, especially for Ottos or Timmies who want to blob like crazy.

tl;dr Dhimmi good, but you've got to keep a heathen province around for them to work.

 

[JacobiteJames]

I'm playing Mali, I've converted everyone to Sunni and now I have this pesky Dhimmi faction. They are 0% of the total provinces but somehow they hold 20% of the land and control require that I give them policies, just to get them to 50% so that when I seize land, they won't be revolting.

Why is a 100% Muslim nation have a faction that demands policies?
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Because theyre the non dominant population in provinces

 

[JacobiteJames]

The real problems are that: a) almost all their privileges require having at least 1 wrong religion province to even give/maintain, and b) they have way too few options for loyalty because almost all of their privileges give none.

Pick them in diets

 

[moscal]

Why not?

 

[Guibou]

I usually give them the edict that gives -100% missionnary strenght as it gives +20% loyalty so I can seize land as i'm pleased. The best part is that you can still convert them with the merchant mechanic Well, outside of Europe anyway.

 

[Less2]

If the estate evaporated along with the last heathen province then you'd get all that crownland back along with revoking all their privileges which would be a bit too easy. It;'d also be annoying to re-add those privileges every time you conquered a new province.

 

[AirikrStrife]

also places like egypt (the mamluks) might've had something like 20-30% of their population being christians (copts in egypt proper and syriac and arab christians in the levant) without them being majority in any province but still a very relevant part of the country and as dhimmi was a special social class it makes sense havign them represented. Also jews of various denominations are represented by dhimmi estate.