Why is the Roman Empire so hard to form?

[RedArmy]

Many provinces do not seem historically justified. Wouldn’t a country which had conquered all of italy and greece in eu4 time frame be able claim to be the successor of the roman empire? Anatolia, France, Spain, and even more, Mesopotamia and English provinces do not seem justified conditions. HRE dismantled and byzantium not existing would make much more sense as conditions.

 

[Republic of Mercury]

"We choose to restore the Roman Empire. We choose to restore the Roman Empire in this game and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win."

But seriously, it's purely because it being difficult makes it more impressive. It's not based on what make a nation actually able to "claim to be" the sucessor of the Roman empire.

 

[Andrew0Red]

HRE dismantled and byzantium not existing would make much more sense as conditions.

Just for kicks, you should probably add at least Russia and the sultanate of Rum to the mix. Rum is turkic for Roma; they saw themselves as the successors of the (eastern) Roman Empire. Russia was formed after the fall of the second Roman Empire (Byzantium again); they see (saw?) themselves as the third Rome.

 

[RedArmy]

Just for kicks, you should probably add at least Russia and the sultanate of Rum to the mix. Rum is turkic for Roma; they saw themselves as the successors of the (eastern) Roman Empire. Russia was formed after the fall of the second Roman Empire (Byzantium again); they see (saw?) themselves as the third Rome.

Ok. No HRE, no Byz, no Russia, no Rûm, no Ottomans, no Greece. I guess we got them all. Maybe a Culture condition should be required as well. Restoring Rome as Oirats does not make sense!

 

[please add multithreading]

Ok. No HRE, no Byz, no Russia, no Rûm, no Ottomans, no Greece. I guess we got them all. Maybe a Culture condition should be required as well. Restoring Rome as Oirats does not make sense!

Says you but if a horde came to Europe and conquered all that land you wouldnt have the gaull to claim they cant be Rome cause they put your head on a stick if you do.

 

[Andrew0Red]

Hmm, historically both slavs and turks have have formed another Rome, so there doesn't seem to be any cultural restriction. The various Romes have also been pagan, christian and muslim, so no religious requirement either.

 

[Nostalgium]

I agree! It should be even harder! Considering how enormously important the provinces were to the Empire's wealth and prosperity, it should additionally require all of Africa (the province, not the continent) and Egypt as well!

On a more serious note, I do find it really, really weird that it for some reason requires the Mashriq region - which Rome historically only held for a brief time - instead of Egypt, which was both a much more integral part of the Empire and the personal province of the Emperor.

 

[Jiben]

Honestly? Mesopotamia should not be required it was only owned during a single emperor (Trajan). Even Armenia would make more sense as a requirement than mesopotamia and even that would be shaky.

That said Egypt/England etc should probablly be owned fully and not just a few cities.

 

[AvengedK1ng]

Hmm, historically both slavs and turks have have formed another Rome, so there doesn't seem to be any cultural restriction. The various Romes have also been pagan, christian and muslim, so no religious requirement either.

Just for kicks, you should probably add at least Russia and the sultanate of Rum to the mix. Rum is turkic for Roma; they saw themselves as the successors of the (eastern) Roman Empire. Russia was formed after the fall of the second Roman Empire (Byzantium again); they see (saw?) themselves as the third Rome.

Rum existed at the same time as the byzantine (roman) empire, so no.

Many provinces do not seem historically justified. Wouldn’t a country which had conquered all of italy and greece in eu4 time frame be able claim to be the successor of the roman empire? Anatolia, France, Spain, and even more, Mesopotamia and English provinces do not seem justified conditions. HRE dismantled and byzantium not existing would make much more sense as conditions.

It used to only be ck2 port, then all could form it

 

[st360]

Many provinces do not seem historically justified. Wouldn’t a country which had conquered all of italy and greece in eu4 time frame be able claim to be the successor of the roman empire?

Why stop at just that? Wouldn't owning Rome historicaly be enough to proclaim your self Rome?

In all seriousness, conquering Italy and Greece and getting to proclaim yourself Rome would be like conquering Mongolia and proclaiming yourself as Genghis Khans empire. You want the prestiege and benefits of a nation that ruled the known world but you only want to pay 15% of the price to get it.

 

[Andrew0Red]

Rum existed at the same time as the byzantine (roman) empire, so no.

If they didn't see themselves as a Roman empire, why did they call themselves romans? They were of Seljuk-turkic origin, with some persian connection thrown in.

Sultanate of Rum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[AvengedK1ng]

If they didn't see themselves as a Roman empire, why did they call themselves romans? They were of Seljuk-turkic origin, with some persian connection thrown in.

Sultanate of Rum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Because they ruled over romans. Rumelia as an Islamic term for romans (Byzantines and their subjects) starts in anatolia then is slowly moved westwards each time the old place got turkified.

 

[newtlord]

What's really annoying is that, having gone through all the effort of forming Rome, your "reward" is to lose all the accepted cultures from your culture group.

 

[Republic of Mercury]

What's really annoying is that, having gone through all the effort of forming Rome, your "reward" is to lose all the accepted cultures from your culture group.

"- Forming the Roman Empire will now convert all of your culture group to the Roman culture instead of just your primary culture."

From the 1.33 patch notes.

 

[AvengedK1ng]

What's really annoying is that, having gone through all the effort of forming Rome, your "reward" is to lose all the accepted cultures from your culture group.

This is changed in the new update, yoyr culture group flips to roman

 

[Word_Smith]

Yeah, it's ridiculous. History shows us that the Roman Empire has reformed at least twelve times from 1400 to 1800. Verily, the developers have transformed Europa Universalis from a historical strategy game into a complete farce.

 

[RMS Oceanic]

I don't mind the requirements to conquer all that land as a Country that doesn't really have a claim to Roman political legitimacy beforehand, but a backdoor for Byzantium to form it a little earlier would be ncie.

 

[bokorthedust]

Why stop at just that? Wouldn't owning Rome historicaly be enough to proclaim your self Rome?

In all seriousness, conquering Italy and Greece and getting to proclaim yourself Rome would be like conquering Mongolia and proclaiming yourself as Genghis Khans empire. You want the prestiege and benefits of a nation that ruled the known world but you only want to pay 15% of the price to get it.

That's just called forming Rome during a sale. Pretty nifty tactic if you ask me, those Romans sure charge a lot for the various regions that are all required for the full experience. They should introduce a diplomatic option so that by paying those tags a monthly fee you could form Rome without holding all the lands required.

 

[Vin55]

I did a rome run as naples a few hours ago it felt good, I would just kick mesopotamia out for the lowland, the limes line and England with Wales. Would be more historic I mean Mainz was even captial for a few emperors.

 

[DerGrößteRitter]

If they didn't see themselves as a Roman empire, why did they call themselves romans? They were of Seljuk-turkic origin, with some persian connection thrown in.

Sultanate of Rum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Noone else considered them Roman however.