Why is the Fascist version of Turkey called the Neo-Ottoman Empire?

[Gort11]

Probably for the same reason Trotsky takes over the USSR in 1938 - the devs thought it would be more fun than something realistic.

 

[Persiani]

If Paradox wants some massive pre-release buzz they should call fascist Turkey "Erdoğan"!

Shots Fired! haha

 

[Ctanr]

If Paradox wants some massive pre-release buzz they should call fascist Turkey "Erdoğan"!

im more for something like: "The Wolfcage" with erdogan as the boss

 

[Dalnar]

Turan? But this is not Conan's universe...

 

[Thracian]

i dont consider erdoğan as a turk

 

[sirrichard]

I think the player should be given the choice through event when Turkey goes fascist. Reinstate autocratic power of the Sultan, or a fascist state along Italian lines with the Turanist ideology as a basis.

The choice should also be more significant to your nation on who will like you and who will not. I think a Turanist Turkey would be more about "Turkey first" nationalist ideal that would put them directly against the Soviets, while the Ottoman revival route would allow more flexibility in who the Turks eventually support.

 

[StrUN]

im more for something like: "The Wolfcage" with erdogan as the boss

Country name: New Turkey

Only one research slot and techs which grant you ideology drift protection,political power and ruling party popularity. -9999999 relations with all other countries but an infinite alliance with Saudi Arabia.


Done.

 

[Mannstien]

I like it

 

[Hayro]

Most Ultra-Nationalists in Turkey at that time were hardcore Turkic nationalist who dreamed of an united Turan.
For example Nihal Atsiz one of the most influentual minds in the right-wing of Turkey hated Islam,Arabs and the Ottomans.
How about calling a fascist Turkey Turan.

This.
Either Turan, or Türkeli, or Turan/Turkic Federation/Eli

 

[Hayro]

I think the player should be given the choice through event when Turkey goes fascist. Reinstate autocratic power of the Sultan, or a fascist state along Italian lines with the Turanist ideology as a basis.

The choice should also be more significant to your nation on who will like you and who will not. I think a Turanist Turkey would be more about "Turkey first" nationalist ideal that would put them directly against the Soviets, while the Ottoman revival route would allow more flexibility in who the Turks eventually support.

How about adding whole new monarchist faction?
Ottoman revival:Reinstate the Sultanate
Goal is Turan:Instate the Khanate

 

[ruzen]

If Paradox wants some massive pre-release buzz they should call fascist Turkey "Erdoğan"!

Carefull there He might sue you too

 

[StrUN]

How about adding whole new monarchist faction?
Ottoman revival:Reinstate the Sultanate
Goal is Turan:Instate the Khanate

This can also be in Turkey's national focus where Ottoman Revival leads to anti-Democracy route, giving you claims in the Middle East and the Balkans.

And Goal is Turan leads to anti-communist route and gives you claim in Central Asia,Azerbaijan etc.

 

[Achilles Return]

I think the player should be given the choice through event when Turkey goes fascist. Reinstate autocratic power of the Sultan, or a fascist state along Italian lines with the Turanist ideology as a basis.

The choice should also be more significant to your nation on who will like you and who will not. I think a Turanist Turkey would be more about "Turkey first" nationalist ideal that would put them directly against the Soviets, while the Ottoman revival route would allow more flexibility in who the Turks eventually support.

If there is a way to change nation names with events that'd be baller. A naming system that is strictly based on localization files and ideology is going to be a bit more limited, unfortunately. The latter doesn't have a way of differentiating between self-grown states or foreign puppets. So a fascist puppet of Russia by the Germans is going to be forced to have the same name as a self-ruled Russian fascist state.

 

[Gort11]

If there is a way to change nation names with events that'd be baller. A naming system that is strictly based on localization files and ideology is going to be a bit more limited, unfortunately. The latter doesn't have a way of differentiating between self-grown states or foreign puppets. So a fascist puppet of Russia by the Germans is going to be forced to have the same name as a self-ruled Russian fascist state.

Well, the whole point of a puppet state is to make it look like it's independent while in reality it takes its orders from somewhere else. Some puppets are more obvious than others, but if the intention is to just occupy the place permanently, that's what annexation is for.

 

[Achilles Return]

Well, the whole point of a puppet state is to make it look like it's independent while in reality it takes its orders from somewhere else. Some puppets are more obvious than others, but if the intention is to just occupy the place permanently, that's what annexation is for.

an excellent point.

 

[Hayro]

whats a turan ? some car of vw?

Well there was a hungarian tank...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40M_Turán

 

[Kiyant]

I think the player should be given the choice through event when Turkey goes fascist. Reinstate autocratic power of the Sultan, or a fascist state along Italian lines with the Turanist ideology as a basis.

The choice should also be more significant to your nation on who will like you and who will not. I think a Turanist Turkey would be more about "Turkey first" nationalist ideal that would put them directly against the Soviets, while the Ottoman revival route would allow more flexibility in who the Turks eventually support.

This would be perfect.

 

[Kiyant]

All in all its weird that Nihal Atsiz is in the game to "promote" a Neo-Ottoman Empire while its quite clear that he hated the Ottoman Empire,Islam and Arabs (and basically everything that wasnt Turanic)

 

[Hayro]

All in all its weird that Nihal Atsiz is in the game to "promote" a Neo-Ottoman Empire while its quite clear that he hated the Ottoman Empire,Islam and Arabs (and basically everything that wasnt Turanic)

Yeah, just saw that on Daniel's stream
Him being just a minister while Fevzi Çakmak being a leader is kinda odd
It should be the opposite imo

 

[Kikaider]

Actually, wasn't there tons of whining back at the beginning of HOI3 because people couldn't restore the Ottoman Empire (among other defunct empires like Austria-Hungary)? That probably had something to do with it.