Yes, you are correct on that one, and magna mundi, and darkest hour, and those are just the ones being sold, let alone the free ones . Notice a pattern here. Seems like modders are the ones doing the work that developers can't, or sometimes won't do. Not that paradox is alone, I got the same vibe when I was a fan of total war. I mean what is a better game, Rome total war or Rome Total Realism/ Europa Barbarorum? What's better, Medieval 2 or Stainless Steel? Now, I don't think TW holds a candle to paradox games, in fact I got into paradox games after I got tired of the shallowness of TW. But I always am concerned when I hear of support for games being ifinished by modders instead of by the developers. Sure, I think developers can't do it all, and modding should be encouraged, but the presence of the latter should never be an excuse for the development being half finished. That is however a sentiment that all too often I here from forums: "it's okay, the modders will fix the problem, give them time" If that is the case, modders need to be hired out for their efforts. Glad to see that that is happening on several titles at paradox lately so that is a good step.