Why is Provincial AA almost pointless right now?

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Just a question related to the same thread.

If I build AAA in nearby province but in the same region instead of directly building it in a strategic target province, will AAA defend the the strategic province from raid and will AAA suffer any damage?

 

[jju_57]

Are you guys actually proposing that the game have both AA and AAA?

 

[Slan]

Just a question related to the same thread.

If I build AAA in nearby province but in the same region instead of directly building it in a strategic target province, will AAA defend the the strategic province from raid and will AAA suffer any damage?

It won't suffer damage but won't shoot at the enemy either. In HoI3, units can only attack eachoter if in the same province.

 

[Hakello]

Are you guys actually proposing that the game have both AA and AAA?

AA -> Anti Air
AAA -> Awesome Anti Air

 

[GAGA Extrem]

Too bad we can't build AAA on regional scale - that would improve it's effectiveness quite a bit...

 

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. . . What does provincial AA do? . . .
- It increases artillery practical. Actually, I wouldn't consider a building that only increases practical a good thing, I would consider it gamey. But AA certainly gets the job done in this regard.

Have constructed prov.AA as prelude to building artillery (e.g. waiting for SPA tech), and found there's just not enough accumulated practical to make it worthwhile.

Sorry, but prov.AA is not constructed solely for the benefit of artillery practical. This is simply gilding the Lilly (ie. chrome) IMO.


Otherwise, my BEEF with prov.AA:

LOG BOMBING (logistical bombing). In what universe does only prov.AA defend against medium bombers on LOG missions? This is also pointless-no?

Some reasons:

1) In MP, LOG bombing of capitols is universally banned, so it proceeds instead against perimeter provinces, choke-points, etc., which are generally unprotected by prov. AA (too long to deploy, rapidly changing tactical situations, etc).

2) The only effective defense now against LOG BOMBING is interceptors, leaving small contries totally at the mercy of majors. In MP, small country armies are routinely bombed in their trenches making it impossible to hold a static line against a major. Prov.AA cannot be deployed fast enough or in sufficient quantity to protect against this strategy (exploit).


Request follows: Given a choice between prov.AA or mobile AA for defense against LOG BOMBING, please make it the latter.

Rational: Nobody builds mobile AA in MP games because manpower losses to ground attack are simply made up by conscription. If mobile AA was required to defend against LOG BOMBING too, then we'd see a lot more mobile AA used (which is more realistic-no?).

 

[Kovax]

In short, AA of either variety doesn't do enough ORG damage to be worthwhile, and its effect on bomber Strength might as well be ignored completely.

In a recent game, I had a 3xTAC unit gradually wearing down enemy ground units in a province, and assigned fighters to intercept any opposing air units that might intervene. About 5-10 game days later, I remembered it and checked back to see if the bombers were still in decent shape. They were down a couple of percent on both Strength and Organization, but all well over 95%. I then took a glance at the province they were bombing, and spotted 3 AA units, not counting the provincial AAA battery. Apparently, my bombers took almost no damage to either Org or Str after several dozen attacks on them.

Having the provincial AA batteries evaporate at the first sign of enemy aircraft just adds insult to something that's already badly unbalanced.

 

[Raptor83]

Having the provincial AA batteries evaporate at the first sign of enemy aircraft just adds insult to something that's already badly unbalanced.

Same with Log. Bombing - to totally destroy all infrastructure in province should be much much harder and provinces should be able to repair from lvl 0-3 much faster than from lvl 7-10.