Confederate said:
I'm sure the Poles were brave soldiers. Every country had their brave soldiers. However, Poland got crushed and raped by Germany. You can try to say well we held out for 4 weeks or we continued fighting all through the war. The bottom line is Poland got smashed, crushed, and raped. Germany had a far superior army and far superior tactics. Also, Churchill and Roosevelt were warmongers. Churchill was a belligerant, stubborn, drunk who refused peace with Germany because he simply felt like fighting on, all or nothing and sacrificing his fellow men for a war that was lost and pointless in fighting to begin with and he was going to drag the United States in. Roosevelt's policies against Japan were very agressive and they were intended to make Japan go to war with the US and bring Germany into a war against the US as well. I don't buy into this rubbish bullshit about Hitler being an evil warmongering jew eating monster. He simply wanted Germany's land back. The allies offered Poland an alliance because the real warmongers wanted war with Germany. I sincerely believe the entire war was planned by Churchill and Roosevelt. I do believe had Poland given Germany that little piece of land called Danzig that World War 2 would have never happened. Poland deserved what it got for being stubborn as a mule. Lets not forget who declared war on Germany. Germany didn't start World War 2. France and Britian did. Well thats it for my mostly off-topic rant.
You aren't by chance a white supremacist card carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan?
Where to start on a post like this. Germany certainly had superior tactics and also a very experienced officer corps. The Polish Army's border setup played right into what 'Blitzkreig' was all about. An interesting what-if is if Poland had setup using the interior rivers as defensive lines as certain Allied and Polish generals advised. It did not happen, unfortunately for Poland, though it hardly guaranteed Poland would survive, they might have survived longer.
As for Churchill and Roosevelt being warmongers, I can only say that you'd need to supply some real evidence of it. Churchill wasn't even in power until after the Low Countries nightmare so one can hardly blame him for the War in Europe. You'd have to blame Chamberlain and company and given their attempts at appeasement with Hitler one really can't conclude Britain wanted war. Churchill certainly had his faults, more than a few, but he was exactly what was needed at the time.
As for Roosevelt 'wanting' war, I don't buy that either to a point. You make it sound as though he just wanted to go about blowing stuff up which is hardly the case. Once war came to Europe I do think he learned quite quickly where the US needed to be (on the Allied side) and after France fell there was no doubt about it.
Now, I'd agree his methods were incredibly suspect and in throughout the year of 1941 the US was at war in everything but name. Lend-Lease, Neutrality Patrol, etc. are hardly the actions of a neutral nations and in fact by the international laws of the times, put America quite in the wrong. You'd believe that this was out of some desire of what, warring for the sake of war then? I rather think that Roosevelt knew what was going on. America had traditionally been protected by two forces, the French Army and the Royal Navy (and a nice ocean too). With the removal of one of those, America was essentially tied to help Britain, at least that is how I see it. Looking at the various Rainbow Plans the US military had confirms this.
As for Japan, of course policies against them were harsh. Look at the harshness of Japan in China and Siberia. China is what the US cared about as Japan's warmongering there hurt American business via the Open Door Policy (which allowed all countries to trade freely within China and to support the sovereignity of China). As we take a trip down economics lane, the US may have embargoed Japan in 1941 but Japan indirectly had been mucking with the US economy since Manchuria and largely because the US kept supplying Japan with the raw materials to fuel her war machine. That the US would eventually put a stop to it is hardly surprising and if the US economy had been stronger they might have done it sooner.
As for Hitler being a nice guy just trying to bring all Germans into the Reich, well, you're simply delusional. Go read Mein Kampf and tell me he wasn't all about expanding German power and influence by the sword. His hatred of Jews is well-documented by official Nazi documents and his own writings. The Holocoust is quite well documented and the photographic evidence is very damning. Of course, you strike me as someone who thinks it was all staged somehow. Go talk to Holocoust survivors and you might learn something. I have and the stories are enough to chill the blood and to hear people relive the horrors they faced is something you just can't fake.
As for Poland and the Danzig question, who knows for certain? Not I nor anyone as it's what-if territory. Of course, given that at Munich in 1938, Hitler sold his story about trying to bring all Germans into the Reich and said "Once the Sudeten problem is settled no territorial problem in Europe will remain. It is the last territorial demand I have to make in Europe. This I guarantee. We want no Czechs at all." That within six months he would absorb Bohemia and Moravia into the Reich (including those Czechs he didn't want) and begin his demands on Poland (plus take Memel) hardly shows Hitler to be a man of his word at all as you would have us all believe.
I do wonder when you think Roosevelt and Churchill planned to get the war going. An unfounded statement to say the least.
As for Britain and France starting World War 2 I can only laugh. They certainly declared war on Germany but only after Germany attacked Poland who both Britain and France were pledged to defend.
Ignorance is the lack of knowledge and you, sir, have proved yourself ignorant (and I suspect a whole lot more).
how many French were fighting in 41/42 together with Allies? Well French soldier were fighting of course pretty well but not in Indochina vs. Japan but in Syria and Madagaskar vs. Allies, also in North Africa sinking US ships during operation Torch :rofl: .
