Why is my culture not "born in the struggle"?

[Secret Master]

So, I'm doing my best to have my transplanted Vikings become the rulers of Iberia. But I've hit a snag that I did not expect. My culture is not "born in the struggle." This is odd because I formed a hybrid culture with a culture that is part of the conflict and chose Iberian heritage. So, what have I done wrong?

I formed Andauso-Norse from Andaluso-Baranis as a hybrid culture with Iberian heritage. Andaluso-Barains is a culture from the struggle as stated on the page. I formed a hybrid, so why doesn't my culture count as "born in the struggle"? Do I have to hybridize with an original culture in the struggle, not hybridized culture born in the struggle?

 

[Tuo]

A culture being involved isn't dependent on its heritage (and far as I know, there's no exception for hybrid cultures either), it's based on if at least 80% of the counties of that culture are within the struggle region. A number of cultures are set to be always involved, but those are the exception. And, going by the screenshots, your culture has no counties in the struggle region and at least 26 outside it.

 

[Secret Master]

A culture being involved isn't dependent on its heritage (and far as I know, there's no exception for hybrid cultures either), it's based on if at least 80% of the counties of that culture are within the struggle region. A number of cultures are set to be always involved, but those are the exception. And, going by the screenshots, your culture has no counties in the struggle region and at least 26 outside it.

Ohhh... I misunderstood completely. So, I just need to spread it around a bit. And since I'm planning to spin off the Scandinavian parts of the realm when I get enough Iberian land, I should be able to skew the ratio of counties my way with enough effort from my steward.

 

[Silens]

It doesn't matter what the hybrid is, it only matters where it was created. A hybrid with an involved culture is meaningless, if it isn't born in Iberia.

If you have your capital in the struggle region, and it is of your current culture, you can create a hybrid with ANY culture in the world. It is important to have your capital county of your ruler's culture; if it's not, some other random county of your culture will be chosen to convert to the new hybrid, and that can also be outside of Iberia. You wouldn't want that, if your goal is to have an involved culture.

Anyway, once your capital is in Iberia and of your own culture, the game will then convert your capital county to your new hybrid. That means the new culture came into existence in the struggle region -> involved.

 

[Secret Master]

it only matters where it was created.

Well, that explains the failure. I created the culture before I moved my capital due to having moved my capital in my ruler's lifetime, and he was dying and about to take his prestige with him.

But if what you say is true, then I can just hybridize again in about a century and get my culture "born in the struggle."

 

[Silens]

Then you'll probably like those two tips:

- Moving your capital is always possible, if it's towards the natural capital of your primary title. Doesn't matter if you already moved it in your lifetime.

- You can circumvent the hybrid cooldown by hybridizing from the other side. Have your heir educated and coverted by the target culture, and once you take over and acceptance between your hybrid and the target is high enough, you can instantly create a new hybrid.

 

[Secret Master]

- Moving your capital is always possible, if it's towards the natural capital of your primary title. Doesn't matter if you already moved it in your lifetime.

I know, but I didn't have a kingdom in the conquest zone to move towards (at that time).

Have your heir educated and coverted by the target culture,

That's actually a good idea.

 

[Secret Master]

it only matters where it was created

An odd question: does this work with religions as well?

As in, can I create a religion with my capital in Iberia and have that religion added to the Involved religion list?

 

[pengoyo]

But if what you say is true, then I can just hybridize again in about a century and get my culture "born in the struggle."

You can also diverge your culture with your capital in the struggle region. Which might be preferable to hybridizing as your current culture is Iberia Heritage which block hybridizing with any other Iberia heritage cultures.

As in, can I create a religion with my capital in Iberia and have that religion added to the Involved religion list?

Pretty sure I read this worked somewhere, but have never personally tried it.

 

[Silens]

An odd question: does this work with religions as well?

As in, can I create a religion with my capital in Iberia and have that religion added to the Involved religion list?

The condition for involvement is the same for faiths and cultures: either being present when the Struggle begins, or being "born within the Struggle", as the ingame description says.

But I had the feeling that being born in Iberia wouldn't be enough under certain circumstances. Turns out I was right; if the majority of your realm lies outside of Iberia, and most vassals convert to your new faith, and with them a good amount of their territory, then the majority of your new faith is outside of the Struggle region from the get-go. A test confirmed it, the new faith wasn't considered involved with 60% of the new faith being on the inside, and 40% on the outside.

It becomes a problem if you have a faith with Holy Sites outside of Iberia, as you need at least 3 of them in your realm to be able to reform/create a faith. Holding territory outside of Iberia is inevitable then.

Only when 100% of the new converted counties were inside Iberia, only then became my new faith involved. And yes, for testing purposes it was a reform faith from an uninvolved faith (Orthodoxy). A previous test with 75% of all counties inside Iberia and 25% outside ended with the faith being uninvolved. The threshold may be 80%, well, maybe, I don't know, didn't test it out.

To answer your question: it is possible to create a new faith and have it become involved, and the game will recognize it as such. But you'll have to make sure that all new converted counties are inside the Struggle region. Then the game considers it "born within the Struggle" and therefore involved.

There's more to what territory can and cannot convert etc., but I won't go into details here. I hope, however, that my answer is sufficient.

 

[Secret Master]

To answer your question: it is possible to create a new faith and have it become involved, and the game will recognize it as such. But you'll have to make sure that all new converted counties are inside the Struggle region. Then the game considers it "born within the Struggle" and therefore involved.

So, if I understand this correctly, this situation should work:

I create a new Asatru faith from the current one I have (the one I reformed a century ago) but I only own or control counties in Iberia. That way, only counties in Iberia will convert. This should make my faith "born in the struggle."

And the game will let me do this without holding holy sites, as this is my current requirements for creating a new faith:

(Don't worry about tenets and such. Just an example to get the tooltips.)

 

[Silens]

Only your capital and the capital counties of your vassals will have a chance to convert, provided they're of your current faith (which is Asatru). Different faiths don't convert in this case. Keep that in mind when going through with it.

But yes, if you can create the faith without holding any Holy Site outside of Iberia, and if all your territory is only in the Struggle Region, and at least one of those counties in Iberia is of your current Asatru faith, then your faith should become involved.