They haven´t unlocked him yet.
They need to beat the game on hard mode as the allies.
They need to beat the game on hard mode as the allies.
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Why is Hitler's portrait black?
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No it's not illegal. It's also not illegal to depict Hitler in a game. Or anywhere for that matter. Paradox is just being paranoid and screwing their german fans with unnecessary censorship.
1. Because censorship sucks.
2. Because it's unecessary cencorship that isn't required by any german laws.
3. Because Paradox keeps closing and removing any thread mentioning this instead of answering the questions that people have about this subject.
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it is not that easy.
https://www.bundestag.de/blob/19555...n_verfassungswidriger_organisationen-data.pdf
To give a rough translation:
Pictures of Hitler were used as part of the propaganda. Much more then anybody else of the Nazi-Elite. Therefore his picture is considered as nazi propaganda and illegal. (Outside of, as we all know by now, Art or education.)
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Where on earth have you been for the past year and a half for this to be new to you?!
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Hmm, seems your right. Generally any mention of the law I looked up only mentioned the swastika and the flag of nazi-germany, which aren't in the game anyway, as propaganda-images of the nazi-party.
Additionally the game "Sniper Elite V2", which was released uncensored in Germany, had an additional mission in a dlc, which also in in no way censored in germany, to kill Hitler. And that very clearly depicted Hitler and didn't have any problem getting released in germany.
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There's a big difference between a game where you shoot Hitler in the face and a game where you can help guide Hitler to a successful global Reich when arguing the it can't be used as pro-Nazi propaganda.Hmm, seems your right. Generally any mention of the law I looked up only mentioned the swastika and the flag of nazi-germany, which aren't in the game anyway, as propaganda-images of the nazi-party.
Additionally the game "Sniper Elite V2", which was released uncensored in Germany, had an additional mission in a dlc, which also in in no way censored in germany, to kill Hitler. And that very clearly depicted Hitler and didn't have any problem getting released in germany.
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Simple answer: cultural appropriation. HOI4 should carry a trigger warning.
there seems to be an awful lot of people more interested in getting their Hitler pic "fix" than the actual game
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I guess so. Still it's a clear depiction of Hitler in a videogame. Cases with this law used to be pretty binary. Is there a swastika in it? Yes - illegal. No - legal. Is there a flag of nazi-germany in it? Yes - illegal. No - legal.
The context of it all never really mattered.
Additionally, if it's purely about the depiction of Hitler in a portrait, I have another case of a game were it's not censored.
I have an edition of the card game "Tyrannenquartett" (Tyrant-quartette) right here in front of my. Printed in german, developed in germany and also made in germany.
It has a clear portrait of adolf hitler on it, I actually think it's an actual foto rather than a drawing, and it's not censored. Not in any way.
And since Hitler was one of the worst Tyrants we had, his card is also one of the strongest cards in the game. Meaning that having hitler in your deck is something really positive in this game.
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Yes, there are quite a lot of these threads that get opened every now and then. But I think part of the reason for that is paradox's refusal to really clarify upon the subject of censorship for the german version of the game.
These threads popping up over and over again just shows that censorship is an important topic for people and they want to know why it happens.
I think paradox could easily fix this problem by making a sticky thread on the subject answering all the questions that people have about this.
Like:
1. What is being censored exactly.
2. Where is it being censored exactly.
3. Why is it being censored (They could additionally link the document G-sus linked above)
4. Will there be a geoblock for the affected regions.
And so on.
They could even close the thread if the discussion turns ugly in some way, as long as they leave it stickied as a sort-of faq we wouldn't have these threads popping up again and again and again.
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And thats the problem. German law sees games not as art, even though games ARE art. Most german politicians probably still think these stereotypes about games and gamers are true...
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Yeah, I 100% agree with you here. It really sucks. But the really supid thing is that this is most likely not going to go away any time soon.
The german censorship of violence has been going down for years, to the point were it's basically nonexistant now. But for games to get recognised as art a jury would have to recognise a game as art during some kind of legal case. For that to happen a game-company would have to make the claim that their game is art beforehand, which means that they would need to try and release a game that has "illegal" things in it, that aren't illegal for art.
But pretty much no game company will do this because such a case would cost them a lot of money, for honestly not that much benefit.
And I can't even really blame them for that. At best if they win the biggest reward they will have is the good PR for being the "Fighers against censorship". At worst they will have the PR-disaster of being the company that tried to legalize nazis or something on top of the lost money form the case. Very much risk, very little reward.
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I would prefer you not to use yellow writing. I of course know that there is no rule regarding that, but colored writing (as you definitely know) is primarily used by demi moderators, especially connected to such statements as you made them here.
If the folks want to close the thread, they will. But dont act like youre one of them.
Thanks.
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