Why is confucianism conceived as a religion?
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this I don't understand...
are you talking about how some people cheat and others don't like it?
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...very helpful.
did you not understand what i was asking him? or are you also not sure what he meant?
I believe this a reference to the popular PC Master Race vs Dirty Console Peasant meme that has become pretty popular in the past couple years. In this case the laymen would be the console players due to their "ignorance" of "rightful pc superiority".
But actually on topic. lordtidus' post was a great summary of eastern culture and how it's near impossible to analog to western ideas of religion. Personally I believe Confucianism is a decent enough abstraction that mostly serves to represents Chinese imperial cultural dominance over those provinces or nations.
But... Daoism wasn't worshiped/practiced by a majority population.
Confucianism, on the other hand, was pretty much the state ideology.
Also, what matters in this game is how religions affects politics. In that regard, Confucianism is best seen as a religion.
Confucianism is definitely not a religion. It is more like way of living or how to maintain good personal relationships. But I personally think most of them are bullshit, especially 五倫("five relationships" in English?).
I would say Daoism if I have to choose a religion for this region. Although I think Daoist clerics who believed in alchemy etc. is just a small part of population, Daoism is the closest thing I can get.
I would say Daoism if I have to choose a religion for this region. Although I think Daoist clerics who believed in alchemy etc. is just a small part of population, Daoism is the closest thing I can get.
To OP and everyone else arguing, it's considered a religion for the sake of gameplay. That's it. Lazy effort or not, it gets the job done in terms of game mechanics (albeit a crappy one due to crappy bonuses).
I've seen threads like this before and it derails very quickly. The only thing that needs to change is Confucianism needs better bonuses, and for the sake of gameplay, that's it.
I've seen threads like this before and it derails very quickly. The only thing that needs to change is Confucianism needs better bonuses, and for the sake of gameplay, that's it.
Why not give Confucianism large bonus to tolerance and add many provinces with Daoist, traditional Chinese, Bö, etc.?
The five relationships make perfect sense and apply even today.
Ruler-subject is basically the ancient version of employer-employee and government-citizen relationship today. Confucian advice like serving a righteous and wise ruler makes perfect sense to me. Why would I want to work for scumbag bosses and decrepit governance?
Father-son is basically parental-children relationship.
Husband-wife also pretty important.
And friend-friend as well.
Seems to have covered all bases to me.
Or you can give Confucianism more tax revenue and less revolt risk, stuff that's more useful.
The problem is there are hidden implications behind five relationships.
The most disgusting one to me is the ruler-subject one - if you are subject, just behave yourself don't do anything disloyal. That's why some ruling dynasties adopted Confucianism.
But Confucianism in game as a Eastern religion is fine for me. It's just a game. More bonuses would be nice of course.
Why would any ideology encourage the subject to be disloyal? That seems like failure in the making.
Confucianism is so influential that even now people still have that nonsensical thought to act as a loyal slave.
Let's not get this thread derailed.
Confucianism is so influential that even now people still have that nonsensical thought to act as a loyal slave.
Let's not get this thread derailed.
Ya, thank Communism for getting rid of Confucianism. Now we can all be equals ad comrades in Arms. Under Great Mao.
Confucianism were since 500BC, while Buddhism didn't come to China until 200AD. There are no way Confucianism a branch of Buddhism.
"a decent abstraction"..."sake of gameplay"...
When will these excuses stop being enough?
The European religion system does not really suit China at all. Confucianism is a state ideology, not really a religion, though it does have some religious elements.
When will these excuses stop being enough?
The European religion system does not really suit China at all. Confucianism is a state ideology, not really a religion, though it does have some religious elements.
after reading htis four times, i can only conclude that i am too sick to be on this forum .. im going to have nap...
i don't evne understand which side of that you are trying to represent... this is how hopeless it is
what do you mean by "they don't answer prayers, create miracles"
are you talking about religoius gods, or ghosts?
because in certain cultures, BOTH do EACH thing...
but .... im not even sure what it is you were saying..and im groggy and can't breathe well... nap time...
