Why is confucianism conceived as a religion?
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Well. It could be considered a religious practice in anthropology certainly.
Sumo for instance, is a religious practice in Japan.
Of course Confucianism wasn't popular pre-Han...
Because the Qin state followed Legalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)
Which is again, definitely not a religion, so how is Confucianism one?
Because the Qin state followed Legalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)
Which is again, definitely not a religion, so how is Confucianism one?
I have said over and over that it Isn't.
It only has some much-later adopted ideas that correspond to religious overtones. :\
Daoism however, is most certainly, a religion. The worship of creator beings, immortals, sacred places and spirits. Tribute to them... :\
I don't know about it. Like, You mentioning it is as much as I know.
But as I pointed out, in Japan, Sumo is basically religoius wrestling. It's a sacred ritual in shinto, and was long before shinto was 'reformed' as it were.
So if it is along the same lines, affiliated with the belief and worship of something, it could be a religious practice.
I will look into it if you want me to.
If they didn't use Confucianism or things of the sort, I guess the devs won't have anything to put as an religion for all the Chinese provinces...
I've tried to explain this like... a multitude of times.
In the Han era, confucianism adopted spiritual overtones, became (some would even go as far as to say mystic or occult) in some aspects, but it was more like... An added layer to the dominant religions of its time.
Like saying you're a Protestant, and then going on to say you are a puritan. Puritan is more about the philosophy and lifestyle of a pre-existing seperate religion, than it's own total religion?
Not sure if that makes sense. You guys are exhausting my capacity to use fluent English for the day.. lol
China shouldn't have religions at all. It should have teachings, consisting of the the three: Daoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism, all existing within the same area.
daoism IS a religion, post HAN confucianism was BASED in religions, and buddhism is already represented in southern china.
But Buddhism didn't exist in a vacuum. Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism all existed alongside each other. There was no such thing as mono religious area in China. An emperor didn't suddenly opt for Taoism and no Buddhism or Confucianism. They weren't some kind of competing ideology like Islam and Christianity.
To be more precise, a religion is a supernatural description of metaphysics, especially ontology. Because these descriptions are supernatural, they cannot be tested or demonstrated, and thus the epistemology of religion is by necessity belief and revelation.
The original teachings of Master Kong aren't really religious, but Confucianism acquired supernatural metaphysical elements later, transforming it into a religion. Like most religions, it retains philosophical elements which are not themselves religious as part of its moral or other teachings - the inclusion of these things do not preclude it from being a religion. (Otherwise Christianity would fail to be a religion because the Gospel puts philosophical teachings into the mouth of Christ which make sense even without the Christian religious context, such as 'turning the other cheek').
The original teachings of Master Kong aren't really religious, but Confucianism acquired supernatural metaphysical elements later, transforming it into a religion. Like most religions, it retains philosophical elements which are not themselves religious as part of its moral or other teachings - the inclusion of these things do not preclude it from being a religion. (Otherwise Christianity would fail to be a religion because the Gospel puts philosophical teachings into the mouth of Christ which make sense even without the Christian religious context, such as 'turning the other cheek').
Every province and state needs a religion, which is used to determine some things, such as relationships between some states.
Confucianism best represents the relationship the state has with it's peasants and local nobility in states that followed that practice, even though not really qualifying as a "religion". Hence, it's best used in that slot.
Confucianism best represents the relationship the state has with it's peasants and local nobility in states that followed that practice, even though not really qualifying as a "religion". Hence, it's best used in that slot.
... I'm getting sick of repeating myself so here goes one last, full blast, try.
Confucianism, IN THE GAME, is basically a arbitrary representation of "chinese take on buddhism."
They named it confucianism I am sure for its flavourful chinese-ness.
:| I am not saying confucianism of the history of mankind, was a take on buddhism. You guys have even got me confused about that earlier.
I am saying, the confucianism you see represented in the game, is the game's MISNOMER for what is essentially 'sino-buddhism' in a nutshell.
x-x it really really won't matter too much what you call it as long as it's implemented well will it? They could expand buddhism to have the different styles of it if they wanted, and give china it's own 'style' for most of this history.
Confucianism, IN THE GAME, is basically a arbitrary representation of "chinese take on buddhism."
They named it confucianism I am sure for its flavourful chinese-ness.
:| I am not saying confucianism of the history of mankind, was a take on buddhism. You guys have even got me confused about that earlier.
I am saying, the confucianism you see represented in the game, is the game's MISNOMER for what is essentially 'sino-buddhism' in a nutshell.
x-x it really really won't matter too much what you call it as long as it's implemented well will it? They could expand buddhism to have the different styles of it if they wanted, and give china it's own 'style' for most of this history.
I suggest that you simly give China Daoism as state religion (with the understanding that Daoism has a lot of intermixing with Buddhism and Confucianism) and give it high heretic tolerance to avoid problems with Shintoism and "regular" Buddhism.
But that is going into game mechanics.
DO YOU THINK everyone in orthodox ottomon was ORTHODOX? no
it is just game mechanic that comes with religions..
you can't even begin to try and mix them, it is not like FACTIONS (which ming HAS)
xD
we would probably have to wait for EU5 for something like percentage based mixed province religion (if ever!)
DO YOU THINK everyone in orthodox ottomon was ORTHODOX? no
it is just game mechanic that comes with religions..
you can't even begin to try and mix them, it is not like FACTIONS (which ming HAS)
xD
we would probably have to wait for EU5 for something like percentage based mixed province religion (if ever!)
Confucianism is not a Chinese take on Buddhism...
Buddhism wasn't even popular in China when Confucianism became a thing.
If Confucianism was a Chinese take on Buddhism, how come Buddhism and Confucianism are separate religions in the game?
What you are basically saying is that a religion like Judaism is a Semitic take on Creationism.