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Hakuromatsu

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When I try to play Najd I can't resist the temptation of flipping to Shia and trying a modified Jihad.

Then flip to Ibadi and complete the Jihad with 500 all-coastal provinces.
 

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If you're going to play with the best country in the game for missionaries, starting in a region full of your religious brethren rather spoils the fun.

That's really what irks me about Jihad in general. Like what's the point of it being 500 Sunni provinces? You get that through pretty much just invading all the Sunni nations now. Where's the fun in that? 500 Shia would be much more amusing, and it'd fit the whole 'holy war' theme considering Shia gives a morale bonus.
 

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500 Shia would be much more amusing

Don't think there are 500 Shia provinces - there is probably around 30-60 in 1444.
 

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Don't think there are 500 Shia provinces - there is probably around 30-60 in 1444.

Yes, that's the point. Unlike with Sunni, you have to invade everyone and then convert their provinces to Shia. Conveniently the achievement requires probably the best missionary conversion nation in the game, so it's perfect.
 

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Yes, that's the point. Unlike with Sunni, you have to invade everyone and then convert their provinces to Shia. Conveniently the achievement requires probably the best missionary conversion nation in the game, so it's perfect.

Also, going on a Shia Jihad means that you're at full piety all the time, and you get to use the missionary strength versus heretics idea from Religious ideas, leading to an absolutely absurd missionary strength. You can pretty much just glance at a pious Sunni on the day of Ashura, and he'll instantly start weeping for the martyrdom of Husayn ibn Ali.
 

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Don't think there are 500 Shia provinces - there is probably around 30-60 in 1444.

In 1.7 I created 350 animist provinces with Maya, including a long battle to switch Rome to animist. Using any religion that has actual +strength decisions would be trivial by comparison. The only reason Jihad was kind of hard is that it's a rough start, but it wouldn't be much harder if you changed Najd's religion to basically anything due to its NIs.

Other than Najd, Byzantium, theocracies with extra missionary and 2% strength with the Christian decisions, hell even Indian sultanates can mow down conversions. It's only kind of hard for nations locked out of DotF and that only get another missionary from Rome or an ADM costing policy. For Abrahamic faiths, having Jerusalem, Rome (Islam), Mecca (Christian), and DotF + religions will give you enough oomph to convert everything w/o issue.

If you want something amusing, do a Coptic version as Ethiopia. With Mecca, Jerusalem, and DotF added to religious you will have 5 missionaries, 1% missionary strength from NIs, 3% from religious, and at least 4-5% from decisions in addition to 2% base. It's not Najd, but you will mow down all conversions regardless with at least 10% base missionary strength. Only Rome would even be kind-of challenging, but not really once you dump a cathedral/forts/inquis on it. Everything else would be a joke. 500 Coptic gogo.