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Well, I have three games going so far. The first game as the Byzantine Empire was fairly easy and very enjoyable, all in all a very nice medieval experience. The second game I started was the Kingdom of Castille, at first things seemed to be going well as I absorbed Leon and built up my army and infrastructure, ignoring Aragons total absorption by a 2 demense emirate in the first decade of play. Well, around 1100 all hell broke loose, the Duke of Braganza was attacked by the Emirate of Sevilla which were equipped with such technologies that a battle of 2000 against 500 men (I was attacking with 2000) was massacred by the Muslims! THEN, all the other emirates seem to get together and decide that they should declare war on me as well. Well, I played on for a little while but when my kingdom was reduced to about 3 provinces and gave up.

Thats not the end my friends though, just because I gave the game the benefit of the doubt I started my Castille game again (luckily I had saved a few months before the great Muslim invasion of 1096) and decided to see if I could get through it without the great war. Well, at exactly the same time the Ducky of Braganza was attacked and once again every Emirate on the peninsula then attacks me randomly and I get slaughtered. So I try a few more times even using the die and difrules cheats which doesnt help at all so that game is done.

So then I decide ill be the Ducky of MEath and form the kingdom of ireland. All that goes to plan and I form Ireland but of course when the pope asks for a crusade I decide, why not? My piety is dropping more and more anyhow. WELL, I manage to seize whatever province is right on the coast to the left of Jerusalem and I give that to the Templar Order, but in the meantime the Fatimid kingdom has sent 3 armies of about 2000 men each to Ireland!!!! Now, even f I were able to muster enougfh troops to equal those numbers I would have been slaughtered as their technology is unbelievably superior, needless to say I was slaughtered, with Egypt owning half of Ireland!!!

The lesson being, dont go Crusading in Crusader Kings, because the Muslims will rip your poor barbarian armies to shreds with their plated armor and swords, plus im pretty sure that since most of Europe has not domesticated sheep and chickens their clothing is sub-standard and their diet is severely lacking. Oh yes my friends, I will never figure out how Europe was able to rise to such prominence.

Sorry guys, I was on a rant and forgot to make paragraphs...
 
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I won't read that...:wacko: Can you please break the text up into paragraphs, so that is easier to read?:)
 

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BennyB said:
I must be the worst player in the entire world then because that was on VERY EASY and COWARD. :rofl:

are you kidding :rofl: ?
really, this game is easy even for me, one of the worst player of all time (never played Age of empires on higher settings that easy :) )
You should only avoid to declare war on big muslim countries like fatimids in the beginning, and fight small emirate and sheikdom, or Kngdoms when they are at war with someone (they are always at war with someone), then when you get about 10 provinces as demesne and some vassal, it's done.
Naturally I actually fought only once against another christian state, the war against christians is very difficult due to BB issues.
 

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Obviously I wouldnt attack the big Muslim kingdoms that can rip me to shreads, the part that really got me was why all the emirates on the iberian peninsula declared war on me like it was some party? There was absolutely no way I could win.
 

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BennyB said:
Obviously I wouldnt attack the big Muslim kingdoms that can rip me to shreads, the part that really got me was why all the emirates on the iberian peninsula declared war on me like it was some party? There was absolutely no way I could win.
Only one word then...unfortunate :) . Try again and let us know!
 

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This is a flaw with the game IMHO: That you HAVE to crusade, no matter what. That's just not historically correct as I see it. It is a game called Crusader Kings, that's so, but every county and it's grandma didn't go crusading, and a certainly didn't get so much loss of piety as it's now. The crusades was shorter too.:p But I'm sure this will be adressed soon.:)
 
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nr 1 rule of war, never fight fairly ;)

nr 1 rule of games, attack tiny ones to gather up a huge empire, then challeng the bigger ones.

Combined: Take out the even lower tech pagans first, have a personal demensne capable of suppoting 4k+, then take those 1 prov liegeless muslims.. slowly.
 

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BennyB said:
Obviously I wouldnt attack the big Muslim kingdoms that can rip me to shreads, the part that really got me was why all the emirates on the iberian peninsula declared war on me like it was some party? There was absolutely no way I could win.

How many badboy points did you have? You wrote that you "absorbed" Leon... which might explain it.
 

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Benny, you should have stayed the course as Castile. Just because you get whupped doesn't give you a right to give up. Re-building the kingdom is half the fun!
 

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Yakman said:
Benny, you should have stayed the course as Castile. Just because you get whupped doesn't give you a right to give up. Re-building the kingdom is half the fun!

I totally agree; due to high BB i lost most of my vassals, but after hard work (and after the restabilization of BB to 0 in the savegame file :rofl: ), I rose again, a sun against many half moons...
 

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You probably should have hacked at some of the random emirates to begin with (or so), so they wouldn't be able to go completely crazy on you. Decrease your enemies before they decide to all attack you at once.
 

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I suppose I should have attacked early and quickly, and it is a valuable point that getting whooped isnt the end of the world and rebuilding the kingdom is fun. What IS worrisome is the fact that it was on the easiest difficulty, that you must crusade or your piety sucks, and that the christians have the technological knowledge of a pre-roman celtic tribe.
 

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BennyB said:
I suppose I should have attacked early and quickly, and it is a valuable point that getting whooped isnt the end of the world and rebuilding the kingdom is fun. What IS worrisome is the fact that it was on the easiest difficulty, that you must crusade or your piety sucks, and that the christians have the technological knowledge of a pre-roman celtic tribe.

Still a pussy for re-starting ;)
 

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Reinar Erlund said:
nr 1 rule of war, never fight fairly ;)

nr 1 rule of games, attack tiny ones to gather up a huge empire, then challeng the bigger ones.

Combined: Take out the even lower tech pagans first, have a personal demensne capable of suppoting 4k+, then take those 1 prov liegeless muslims.. slowly.


actually the n°2 rule in CK should be: once you have wiped out all the one province msulims, attack the liege directly: if you attack the vassal, the lieg will automatically declare war on you, so limit the numers of ennemy, declare war directly to the liege. Once you have destroyed him. You have a bunch of one province muslims without liege who asks to be attacked :D ;)
 

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The key to win against superior muslim enemies is to look where they get their biggest regiment from, lure them away from that province, siege and take it and then... recruit their own guys with superior techs against them. This is so cheap, it's almost an exploit.

While the Fatimids were away to attack some Byzantine guys, i took alexandria with 1500 people... at the end of my Egypt crusade i had 6000 people and only lost some to attrition... never used European troops afterwards :p
5 years later i was King of England, Egypt, North Africa, Arabia and Jerusalem.. too easy even on very hard ^^
 

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Yeah not every ountry should Crusade. Poland didnt crusade, and neither did the Orthodox, which suprised me playing as Moskva, "The pope calls you to crusade" WTF, I dont acknowledge the pope as Moskva, Im orthodox! And Poland didnt crusade so it sucks that I lsoe 2 piety everymonth. Even worse with a civil war currently on my hadns, my BB has shot through the ROOF. I have been annexing vassals left and right for their treason, my WHOLE realm is at war with me. I had to let my southern vasslas (where moldavia would be on EU2 map) go...
 

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BennyB said:
Obviously I wouldnt attack the big Muslim kingdoms that can rip me to shreads, the part that really got me was why all the emirates on the iberian peninsula declared war on me like it was some party? There was absolutely no way I could win.

Why did they attack you like it was a party? Well, the Muslim monarchs of Spain at this time are called the "Taifa" kings, which, literally translated means Kings of the Party - party as in faction or group. Of course, they took the meaning of "party" differently in your game! :D

(BTW, it's always amusing to see a book called "The Rise and Fall the Party Kings" in the Spanish history section of the library :) )