WHY, FRANCE?!

[ThatRabidPotato]

I have been allies with France since 1444 when they helped me get independence. I have fed them, improved relations, gotten royal marriages, and gotten more favors than I knew what to do with, which I would use to increase their trust except for 10 I'd hold back if I saw a golden opportunity that would require their help. All was going well, until they colonized Venezuela where I already had a CN, and flagged all its provinces as vital interest. With a whopping -200 opinion modifier from that, they're about to break their alliance with me, 100 trust and max improved relations be damned.

This is so stupid. Why do your allies flag your subjects provinces as vital interest? Why does that give such a stupidly huge negative modifier that it can override everything else and lose you an ally you've had for 100+ years by itself? That modifier needs to have a cap in the same way that Enemy of my Enemy does.

 

[indika_tates]

If you are a France neighbour you have to destroy France. That's it. It's a matter of time that when playing as Holland->Netherlands the french get a militaristic king that desires all of your provinces, vassals included and all of your colonial holdings. So if you let them grow you have two problems.

 

[ThatRabidPotato]

If you are a France neighbour you have to destroy France. That's it. It's a matter of time that when playing as Holland->Netherlands the french get a militaristic king that desires all of your provinces, vassals included and all of your colonial holdings. So if you let them grow you have two problems.

Their current king is a Diplomat. Queen, actually, but the point's the same.
100 trust. They don't have any provinces that I directly own flagged. They unflagged Calais and Hainaut when I took them, for crying out loud. It's just my one CN, that they dropped colonies next to after it already existed.That modifier is literally the only thing making the difference between -30 relations and +170. That is insane.

 

[Kastomoño]

It's france. Expect this kind of stuff to happen regularly.

 

[Sfan]

Actually it's just a bug with subject provinces. With 100 trust they'll never desire your provinces, but it's not the case for your subject. It's not because it's France, it shouldn't be the case over 90 trust. It's just an issue with subjects.

 

[YuriiH]

Please attach the save in the bugreport section.
Indeed, this AI behaviour is very stupid; AI sometimes ignores trust for your subject's provinces, especially in the colonial region.
By the way, restarting the game may also help in this case.

 

[ThatRabidPotato]

How do I attach the save file? I'm not very good with computer things like that, took me forever to figure out how to attach screenshots.

 

[YuriiH]

Go to: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?forums/euiv-bug-reports.813/
Click the button "Post new thread", fill in the subject and message (with the same screenshots), then click another button "Upload a File" (below the textbox), then button "Create Tread"

 

[gia257]

Their current king is a Diplomat. Queen, actually, but the point's the same.
100 trust. They don't have any provinces that I directly own flagged. They unflagged Calais and Hainaut when I took them, for crying out loud. It's just my one CN, that they dropped colonies next to after it already existed.That modifier is literally the only thing making the difference between -30 relations and +170. That is insane.

at least they gave you time to get 100 trust, colonial region, get all the gold mines early, youll have -400 and no time to build trust at all (built 10 before they inevitably broke, didnt even give me time to pull them to defeat their eternal rivals spain or england)

 

[babuchas1]

Restarting the game doesn't solve the problem. It's a problem with the ally not recognising your vassals provinces as YOUR land. If you own those provinces they don't want them. The moment you give it to a vassal your ally, 100 trust 200 relations, gets crazy and desires that land.
I understand that a new government, militaristic, with new priorities and objectives, could consider these provinces as vital interest. But in that case it shouldn't matter who owns the provinces.
One more stupid ass hell bug with vassals. One more to add to a long list.
Does anybody know if parados is fixin at least some of them for the next patch to make playing with vassals viable?

 

[Sfan]

Well to be fair they've put efforts into it. If you remember 1.18, you are forced to admit that this is way better. Now my vassals only have 5k debt, in 1.18 they usually had 20k debt.