Why France is still the same flavorless, bland country?

[FrogCrusher]

How I managed ? Played Rights of man dlc. From this patch, Spain succeed better than France. A secular rivalvery were added between France and Austria. And Castille disinherit their crappy heir.
I posted a post that time about BBB replaced by big yellow blob and it was quiet accepted. PDX tries to help France with the main event after that.

 

[iquabakaner]

Meanwhile, my game has France inheriting Scotland and Provence (almost done integrating), and expanding into Aragon, which in turn pretty much took out Castile.

 

[FrogCrusher]

I never used one single example And I saw France doing great, of course!
I said 1/3 of my game, roughly, there are bad. That is much more than other great power, in comparison. From my experience itself. See it as my own statistics over 6 games since RoM.

 

[Isildur9526]

As @Restless Native mentioned, a couple weeks back I released a mod for Eu4, the France Overhaul mod (link is in my signature). I full well understand the problems you have with France and how misrepresented historically it is in the base game atm.

I'm not going to make extremely in depth suggestions on how to improve France, but for the most densely populated region of Europe at the time France is sorely misrepresented (just look at the size of Languedoc and Nemours). Both France and Russia received minor changes in Mare Nostrum (1.16), but Paradox only decides to go ahead and improve the latter again for 1.22.

Additionally, I think the old vassals should be brought back, but with a unique subject type which instead of being annexed in the traditional way by France using dip power, they are instead inherited by France should the ruler of the subject die without an heir. This better represents the system of feudalism that was prevalent in France towards the early modern period, and also means that the new subjects won't just be eaten in a few decades and be forgotten about.

Also, I have an issue with the Inheritance of Anjou event. From what I've seen the event fires somewhere around the 1460's which is far too early for France to capitalise on the Italian states breaking from the HRE due to Shadow Kingdom, as the claims disappear within 25 years. Therefore France never seems to pose much of a threat to Italy or HRE as they historically were.

TL;DR: Make France more challenging and interesting, with more things to hold them back in the early game (having to handle their subjects) whilst also giving them more of a chance to rival the HRE in the mid- late game if they manage to annex all their subjects.

 

[hitchens]

As @Restless Native mentioned, a couple weeks back I released a mod for Eu4, the France Overhaul mod (link is in my signature). I full well understand the problems you have with France and how misrepresented historically it is in the base game atm.

I'm not going to make extremely in depth suggestions on how to improve France, but for the most densely populated region of Europe at the time France is sorely misrepresented (just look at the size of Languedoc and Nemours). Both France and Russia received minor changes in Mare Nostrum (1.16), but Paradox only decides to go ahead and improve the latter again for 1.22.

Additionally, I think the old vassals should be brought back, but with a unique subject type which instead of being annexed in the traditional way by France using dip power, they are instead inherited by France should the ruler of the subject die without an heir. This better represents the system of feudalism that was prevalent in France towards the early modern period, and also means that the new subjects won't just be eaten in a few decades and be forgotten about.

Also, I have an issue with the Inheritance of Anjou event. From what I've seen the event fires somewhere around the 1460's which is far too early for France to capitalise on the Italian states breaking from the HRE due to Shadow Kingdom, as the claims disappear within 25 years. Therefore France never seems to pose much of a threat to Italy or HRE as they historically were.

TL;DR: Make France more challenging and interesting, with more things to hold them back in the early game (having to handle their subjects) whilst also giving them more of a chance to rival the HRE in the mid- late game if they manage to annex all their subjects.

Interesting! Gonna check it out.

 

[Trytols]

There IS Milan's republic.

Not much else to say although.

Ah, true. There is the Ambrosian Republic event!
How could I forget about such unbalanced and overpowered event for Italian Region? A useless and forgotten land as Milan is too strong and got too much flavour with that.

I think that Ambrosian Republic event is enough for such a forgotten part of the world who didnt had no histrorical relevance in EUIV timeline.
I would suggest developers to add more polynesian kingdoms and siberian tribes instead of waste time adding flavour with such ininfluential regions in history.

The game was unplayable before paradox gave KUBA and LUBA proprer national ideas and luckly they didnt waste time giving HRE OPM national ideas and historical events. I can now play KASANJE and recreate their historical empire thanks to the flavour paradox created for them.

I forgot to post my GUARANI world conquest, who was not possible if paradox forgot to create proper infantry ideas for them.

I hope next patch will be "Siberia Update" because those tribes really need more flavour and events as they did in real history.
If paradox will give HRE OPMs, Venice, Milan and Florence some flavour will only be a waste of time, and they know it.

Paradox got no time to just COPY and PASTE dynamic province names for latin countries, or adding the events, decision and government form for OPM from high quality mods. It will take too long for them and It will be a waste of time since nobody play in Europe and you all know that.

Please Paradox give the Madagascarian tribe of Mahafaly some unique ideas in next patch cause the game is so broken without them.

 

[Zaddy]

^ please quit stomping on that poor strawman mate he didn't do anything to you

if you want a tl;dr for the above post its basically:

" its ----> EUROPA!!!!! <---- universalis!!!" repeated for like 5 paragraphs

 

[Steel_atlas]

All of the colonial powers should get an overhaul, maybe even Denmark and the commonwealth aswell

 

[Restless Native]

Maybe a bit more flavour around the Hundred Years' War. I know it was coming to an end around the time of game start ( y u no 1399 start paradox ! ). But it was an extremely significant situation and it's end should be more than a little pop up and a modifier. The French victory and its centralisation and consolidation could have more interesting game play imho

 

[Isildur9526]

Maybe a bit more flavour around the Hundred Years' War. I know it was coming to an end around the time of game start ( y u no 1399 start paradox ! )

My idea is to add a decision for England to form the Angevin Empire if they manage to get France in a PU. That way you aren't just sitting on 100 AE with hostile neighbours if you PU France as England.

 

[Isildur9526]

As @Restless Native mentioned, a couple weeks back I released a mod for Eu4, the France Overhaul mod (link is in my signature). I full well understand the problems you have with France and how misrepresented historically it is in the base game atm.

I'm not going to make extremely in depth suggestions on how to improve France, but for the most densely populated region of Europe at the time France is sorely misrepresented (just look at the size of Languedoc and Nemours). Both France and Russia received minor changes in Mare Nostrum (1.16), but Paradox only decides to go ahead and improve the latter again for 1.22.

Additionally, I think the old vassals should be brought back, but with a unique subject type which instead of being annexed in the traditional way by France using dip power, they are instead inherited by France should the ruler of the subject die without an heir. This better represents the system of feudalism that was prevalent in France towards the early modern period, and also means that the new subjects won't just be eaten in a few decades and be forgotten about.

Also, I have an issue with the Inheritance of Anjou event. From what I've seen the event fires somewhere around the 1460's which is far too early for France to capitalise on the Italian states breaking from the HRE due to Shadow Kingdom, as the claims disappear within 25 years. Therefore France never seems to pose much of a threat to Italy or HRE as they historically were.

TL;DR: Make France more challenging and interesting, with more things to hold them back in the early game (having to handle their subjects) whilst also giving them more of a chance to rival the HRE in the mid- late game if they manage to annex all their subjects.

Adding to my own post, also move Elan from idea slot 2 to idea slot 3. I think the reason for that is pretty self explanatory.

 

[hitchens]

All of the colonial powers should get an overhaul, maybe even Denmark and the commonwealth aswell

Denmark is fine.

 

[jdavis86]

IIRC Inheritance of Anjou fires much later now if at all -- though I don't have access to the event files right now.

Personally I think France is represent okay. The disasters historical France faced are in the game. Many of the struggles were a result of Spanish dominance, and that is more of an issue with Spanish AI than French flavor.

One doesn't say no to more flavor of course .

 

[Steel_atlas]

Denmark is fine.

Russia Austria the Netherlands and Venice feel truly unique the rest feel like generic nations , I actually like unique governments and dealing with Sweden doesn’t count imo as a unique thing

 

[Hootieleece]

A problem is that France's Religious Disaster is easy to ignore. Stay Catholic. Don't join Counter-Reformation. When enough provinces flip Protestant, Use Edict of Nantes decision. Wait out the Zealotry modifier. Stack missionary modifiers. Send Missionary to convert them all. Then use Revoke Edict of Nantes decision.

I also agree that France should be rolling in money by the time the Revolution Disaster can fire..........I'm not a trade money specialist and I gain a +78 ducats/month in 1630 with only two CN's (Caribbean/Eastern US) and roughly the French Region.

I am currently playing 1.24.1 patch as France.

 

[iquabakaner]

Everyone roll in money by 1700s anyway. Now that the AI is better at managing money, every AI nation is rolling in money as well. That just shows how much we lack money sinks in the game.

 

[creativitypersonified]

Everyone roll in money by 1700s anyway. Now that the AI is better at managing money, every AI nation is rolling in money as well. That just shows how much we lack money sinks in the game.

It's not money sinks. It's money generators. The income was balanced around 1.0 version. Since then we have gotten more provinces and overall development as well as a lot more modifiers and feutures to gain more money. Most dlc have added mechanics that boost the players income. That's where the need for money sinks comes from. We will never have enough stuff to throw money at if dlcs and free patches keep this trend

 

[MateuszNH]

Maybe a bit more flavour around the Hundred Years' War. I know it was coming to an end around the time of game start ( y u no 1399 start paradox ! ). But it was an extremely significant situation and it's end should be more than a little pop up and a modifier. The French victory and its centralisation and consolidation could have more interesting game play imho

Well long time ago there was war in 1444 and it didn't work well, a lot of people just played England to get PU under France, it's much better as it is now. Multiplayer on the second hand have some problem with this, because France can't get provinces back (because it's impossible to get 100% warscore with england), maybe there should be event if u occupy all provinces enough time. Do u see anything else to add ? I will gladly know.


By the way, yea denmark is fine but has terrible ideas, maybe completely different Scandinavian ideas would be enough.