Why France is still the same flavorless, bland country?

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Hmm...not pointing any fingers, but many people likely don't play past a certain date. France has a lot of flavor throughout timeline and maybe more in the end game than others?

Heck, how many countries have edict of nantes type decisions? Lots of good stuff and choices for France.
 

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For those of you who do not know 44 nations within the HRE have generic national ideas. 44..... Regions such as India received a major update and overhaul just a few patches ago.
 

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For those of you who do not know 44 nations within the HRE have generic national ideas. 44..... Regions such as India received a major update and overhaul just a few patches ago.
You mean there is 44 opms or very small duchies which usually get annexed and end up never producing an influential tag with only a handful of expections and the vast majority of which played no significant historical role within the games timeframe and end up beeing even more useless within the game itself don't have national ideas? I won't stand for this nonsense. Never mind areas which were producers of major powers and are hopelessly misrepresented in the game without any regional mechanics and without any sign of the importantance they played in history present. They have already been given so much attention it's making me sick. Paradox better work on them.
 

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Hmm...not pointing any fingers, but many people likely don't play past a certain date. France has a lot of flavor throughout timeline and maybe more in the end game than others?

Heck, how many countries have edict of nantes type decisions? Lots of good stuff and choices for France.

This is very true, however France early and mid game is like a piece of meat that just exists. After taking back back its cores from England is mostly just sit there. I would love for there to be some type of wildcard, a rare event that shakes things up but only when the stars are aligned so that its proper rare. France used to be more aggressive in earlier versions of the game, and I would love to see France restored to its former glory. One of the things that makes a campaign interesting to me is when the AI do something unexpected, and by that I mean expand past its historical limits. Idle stabile kingdoms is boring to me. I would rather the AI having a greatly increased risk of imploding while at the same time increase the risk of being greater. Perhaps this could be solved by ruler traits, on rare occasions the AI gets a ruler that performs noticeably better than your standard monarch.
 

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@ op Because France is the baseline. Most standard governments forms and mechanics are based on French history.
 

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After all the improvements the rest of the world got central and western europe does look a bit dated. Although I think Italy and the HRE needs more attention than France. Not that I think that there is something generally wrong with how the HRE works. It should be like herding a buch of cats with the occasional lion mixed into it, but the payoff should be better. Instead Renovatio is a huge downgrade from Revoke and you even lose the passive emperor buffs.
 

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Yet, it doesn't get anything special, except for the French revolutionnary republic that, like pretty much everyone else, I have never seen in game in 400 hours. Playing with France, you should have to deal with the nobility, who opposes the king's attempt at creating a bureaucratic, centralized state. You should have to deal with the religious opposition, be it from the Pope attempting to tell the king what to do, or the various christian groups that opposed absolutism. Yes, I know, all of this is in game already. But France should have something more.

The problem is that bankruptcy will never kick in late game because at that point everyone swims in gold.
 

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For those of you who do not know 44 nations within the HRE have generic national ideas. 44..... Regions such as India received a major update and overhaul just a few patches ago.
I don't have the game open at the moment, but do you mean that forty-four countries use group ideas? Because that's very different from saying they use generic ideas. Many countries in India use group ideas, and the entirety of North Africa minus the Mamluks uses the exact same (mediocre) idea group. In fact, I can't think of a corner of the world that doesn't use a mix group and individual ideas. Iberia, I guess?

44 nations with group ideas does sound bad, but considering that the area also has a porportionally high number of countries with unique ideas, and that several different groups exist for the area (Pommeranian, German, Divine, etc.), that number is very misleading.
 
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Well i agree, France is just like every other country, but the one of strongest, the problem is it's already OP, much stronger than historically, so some of french fans would change their mind after some more "flavours" realising they got worse France.

But maybe main reason of France without unique mechanics is that it's just role model for other countries, France is just getting everything faster, like late game goverment etc.

By the way in my opinion they should do something with Austria, it's very fun diplomatic country but based on luck, it should be more stable because most of time it ends up badly as AI(well on multiplayer it's much much worse but devs can do atleast something with single), players also have sometimes problem to get related countries, they should get unique diplomatic options stabilizing their strong position in Europe, and to balance things up let's say provinces of burgundy will inherit with change of emperor or something, i think they deserve that because they are getting really poor mid/late game in comparision to everyone.

HRE needs less generic, maybe some court intrigue and partnership(as difference from alliance) mechanic, would work even better with italian countries, instead of just "coalition or not" (but that needs better AI and i think your guys are done for now after great job they did last patch), i think HRE DLC with austria would be nice, with free french patch or something.

There are also problems with Spain Portugal and England, they are not properly colonising Africa and especially Asia (something like provinces in India never happens). Last one is
practically never great colonial power as in history.

Eastern is fine, i think Teutonic order and Poland are a little neglected, especially first don't need much work to give more depth (Poland have problems like France, they've got stron NI and historically bad or none of mechanics, especially Third Rome destroyed the opportunity a little because it's content is totally opposed to polish pattern, like cossacs as cavalry instead of infantry, same with jews when poland got totally 0 events having more than Mamluks but i mentioned it a lot of times i won't torture u guys with this anymore)

And i think there should be more unique effects of provinces and something like incidents in Japan, i can make example with Poland which i know probably most of all, in 1412 in Zagreb there was a deal between Jagiełła and Sigismund of Luxembourg, the emperor offered 13 cities(and around) of Spis in pledge for borrowing 7,5 tons of pure silver, the cities were supposed to be leased until debt repayment but that never happened, and those cities were under polish control until 1769 just before first partition of Poland(with small break when hungary tried to get this back but gave up after papal court decision in favour of Poland made in 1489 Breslau , then after XVI hungarian parliament made demands for hungarian kings get this back in form of repurchase as u see there is a lot of place for events with a lot of options, it's also sad hungary and poland are almost always rivals), first leaser was famous polish knight Zawisza the Black,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zawisza_Czarny, and those cities were later source of Lubomirski magnate family wealth.
Map of regions under polish control (both green and cyan)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe..._towns.jpg/300px-Map_of_Spis_pawned_towns.jpg

i hope u enjoyed this historical curiosity and i hope we will get better Europe in game :)

Ps, if we have Golconda and swedish copper Falun we should also get very nice boosted Potosi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potosí , greatest silver and gold mine in all early modern history
 
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While I agree that France has lots of flavors with events and decisions, it troubles me that they collapse quiet often with respect to other great powers in Europe. I almost never saw Castille/Spain, England->GB, Moscovy->Russia, Poland/Lithuania->CW, even Austria failed while France failed in about 1/3 of my games.
The thing is a little disturbance in RNG and they are dead. They are unstable, thus some improvements could be good.
 

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While I agree that France has lots of flavors with events and decisions, it troubles me that they collapse quiet often with respect to other great powers in Europe. I almost never saw Castille/Spain, England->GB, Moscovy->Russia, Poland/Lithuania->CW, even Austria failed while France failed in about 1/3 of my games.
The thing is a little disturbance in RNG and they are dead. They are unstable, thus some improvements could be good.
How do you manage this mythical "France Failure"? I've seen Austria lose the Emperorship early and spend the rest of the game being slapped around or lose it late after Protestant victory. I've seen Spain fail more times than I can count and even seen England devoured by Scotland. Not to mention that Commonwealth I see collapse so often than I nearly go into shock when I see it survive. How does FRANCE fail? I've never seen this before.

The only one I agree with is Russia. Only time I see Russia fail is when I cause it.
 

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How do you manage this mythical "France Failure"? I've seen Austria lose the Emperorship early and spend the rest of the game being slapped around or lose it late after Protestant victory. I've seen Spain fail more times than I can count and even seen England devoured by Scotland. Not to mention that Commonwealth I see collapse so often than I nearly go into shock when I see it survive. How does FRANCE fail? I've never seen this before.

The only one I agree with is Russia. Only time I see Russia fail is when I cause it.
I seen this many times! so much that I cant actually belive :D
Sometimes they decide to try take spain down only to be smashed by their colonies, sometimes england decide to try this france conquest once again and sometimes they simply fail because of protestant league :D

its not so common but sure thing happening
 

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How do you manage this mythical "France Failure"?

I'm not always playing in Europe, and those times surprising things appeared:
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(and yes, Burgundy and Ferrara are mad)
 

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The only one I agree with is Russia. Only time I see Russia fail is when I cause it.
I've seen Muscovy fail because it supported Swedish independence and somehow Sweden got Novgorod (wasn't following, my guess is Denmark had it), and due to the alliance Muscovy never got Novgorod back. By the time the alliance broke, Sweden already outgrew Muscovy and beat the crap out of it.