Why France is still the same flavorless, bland country?

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So, now, the Ottos, Prussia, Ming, Russia, Austria and England all have received specific flavor DLCs or have gotten their playstyle enhanced by new mecanics, sometimes in a pretty subpar way, sometimes quite interestingly.

Meanwhile, France is still the same old France. Despite being the country that gave birth to the idea of absolutism, it ain't that good at it (or, rather, not better than Prussia or Russia). It doesn't get anything special. No special unit, no special governement, no special options. It's just a big country with powerful NI's, like many others. When rights of man was announced, I thought "hey, at least we'll get more stuff for revolutionnary France, though few people play until that date", but no, the DLC was centered on... Prussia (a country that didn't really give two shits about human rights, even though it's poser king pretented to be a nice guy by exchanging letters with Voltaire).

It's pretty sad, because of all the lucky nations, France is, with the Ottomans, the most essential one throughout the whole timeline of EU4. England disappeared from the international scene for a century after losing the HYW. Spain lost its position as a superpower in the late 18th. Muscovy, despite being completely OP in the game, was barely more than a big HRE state in 1444.

France is the defining example of state-building, with a king that slowly got rid of all opposition to his power, both from within (the great nobility) and from outside (the Pope), with an attempt at creating an unified culture, with a single language. Plus it was a military and diplomatic superpower in 1444, in 1515, in 1600, in 1715 and in 1821.

Yet, it doesn't get anything special, except for the French revolutionnary republic that, like pretty much everyone else, I have never seen in game in 400 hours. Playing with France, you should have to deal with the nobility, who opposes the king's attempt at creating a bureaucratic, centralized state. You should have to deal with the religious opposition, be it from the Pope attempting to tell the king what to do, or the various christian groups that opposed absolutism. Yes, I know, all of this is in game already. But France should have something more.
 

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the country with the most events and unique decisions flavorless?
If you wonder what's "flavorless country", open decisions/Venice.txt. The only decision there is generic!
 

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I'd say your title is a bit misleading, friend.

Flavorless is not the word I'd use. There's more flavor in France than most nations, but they do lack unique mechanics.

There's the suggestions forum if you want to post ideas about what they could do. I personally would like the HRE to be looked at again and have outside influences- like France, to give the French game a bit more flair.
 

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France and western europe need a little love I think.

But I honestly dont think the French monarchy should ever get a unique government. After all, we BASE our ideas of what a "standard monarchy" is on France, so it only makes sense for them to have a standard monarchy.
 

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France is putty, a lot of countries are, it's up to you to make it fun, I don't want every country to be railroaded, and while I will never play France, I do play countries with that same putty like quality.
 

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France is the defining example of state-building, with a king that slowly got rid of all opposition to his power, both from within (the great nobility) and from outside (the Pope), with an attempt at creating an unified culture, with a single language. Plus it was a military and diplomatic superpower in 1444, in 1515, in 1600, in 1715 and in 1821.

Yet, it doesn't get anything special, except for the French revolutionnary republic that, like pretty much everyone else, I have never seen in game in 400 hours. Playing with France, you should have to deal with the nobility, who opposes the king's attempt at creating a bureaucratic, centralized state. You should have to deal with the religious opposition, be it from the Pope attempting to tell the king what to do, or the various christian groups that opposed absolutism. Yes, I know, all of this is in game already. But France should have something more.

I think that's the problem, right there; your description of France is already what the game tries to make each nation be, within its limits. The countries that you listed as having received extra attention did some things differently, for one reason or another, and got a few flavour mechanics sprinkled in to represent that.
 

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Plenty of things about France are unique and interesting. It's not boring by any rational measure. (I don't like online hyperbole)
Given that France is one of the most popular nations, it could use some unique stuff added as EU4 DLC are focusing on single nations and regions now.

French Revolution should count as a second personal disaster.

And you have OP Napoleon.

To be fair, the "Revolution" can happen in any nation.
 
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Plenty of things about France are unique and interesting. It's not boring by any rational measure. (I don't like online hyperbole)
Given that France is one of the most popular nations, it could use some unique stuff added as EU4 DLC are focusing on single nations and regions now.



To be fair, the "Revolution" can happen in any nation.

There's the Revolution disaster and the unique French Revolution disaster.
 

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Meanwhile in the HRE....

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Prussia!
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Austria
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Bohemia
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Try to play in Italian region. Pick one country there.
Begin with only 6 Dynamic province names, where not even the mainland are in italian.

Feel the pain to play Venice, Genoa, or Florence with 4 years republican election similar to any republic in game and No events at all.
Wait for Cosimo to die and you will "never" see a Medici again there.
No Events, no decision, no missions, no history, no flavour... Nothing.

In 5 years that EUIV exist we had unique government form for persian countries, but apparently there was no time to add at least a small Venetian government form.
 

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Try to play in Italian region. Pick one country there.
Begin with only 6 Dynamic province names, where not even the mainland are in italian.

Feel the pain to play Venice, Genoa, or Florence with 4 years republican election similar to any republic in game and No events at all.
Wait for Cosimo to die and you will "never" see a Medici again there.
No Events, no decision, no missions, no history, no flavour... Nothing.

In 5 years that EUIV exist we had unique government form for persian countries, but apparently there was no time to add at least a small Venetian government form.
There IS Milan's republic.

Not much else to say although.
 

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