Why foreign kings have vote for my new Law

[Abathorn]

I want to change my Crown Authority Law and I found that some foreign kings appears as oponent. For example you can see in the image, Queen Desislava of Bulgaria, Doge Pietro II of Venice, King Vache of Georgia, Duke Pribunja of Slavonia and many others.

Is this working properly or is a bug? For me it doesn't have sense that an independent kingdom can have a vote in an internal law.

Sorry for my English is not my native language.

 

[Thrake]

WAD. Every de jure ruler of your top title is given a voice, wether it is a vassal or not. It's been that way as far as I can recall (pretty much release).

 

[Abathorn]

WAD. Every de jure ruler of your top title is given a voice, wether it is a vassal or not. It's been that way as far as I can recall (pretty much release).

Thank you very much for the answer.

For me it doesn't have much sense that I should request permission of a foreign king to change a internal law but ok.

Thanks again.

 

[PK_AZ]

For me it doesn't have much sense that I should request permission of a foreign king to change a internal law but ok.

Well, I wouldn't call them "foreign", just "temporary not part of the empire".

 

[Abathorn]

Well, I wouldn't call them "foreign", just "temporary not part of the empire".

Jaja. yeah but I think I would require a lot of time to conquer Lotharingia for example.

 

[Zsrai]

For me it doesn't have much sense that I should request permission of a foreign king to change a internal law but ok.

They aren't foreign so much as they are legally part of your realm, but "nominally" independent. Also, depending on the law, those independent rulers can be affected by the law change.

 

[Abathorn]

They aren't foreign so much as they are legally part of your realm, but "nominally" independent. Also, depending on the law, those independent rulers can be affected by the law change.

I don't understand. There are not part of my kingdom, there are truly independent I didn't conquer any of them.

 

[Heinrich4]

I don't understand. There are not part of my kingdom, there are truly independent I didn't conquer any of them.

But they are de jure part of your empire. That means that all crown laws are also applied to they realm.

 

[DorlasAnther]

I don't understand. There are not part of my kingdom, there are truly independent I didn't conquer any of them.

It´s just stupid mechanic, nothing more. Those rulers don´t consider themselves to be part of your empire (if they were, wouldn´t they be your vassals?) and will always vote against you. That´s why playing Byzantine Empire in later starts is terrible. You can´t change your crown laws ever.
Luckily, it is changed in Conclave, IIRC, where your council votes on everything (I suggest buying it, DLC itself added lots of good stuff, it´s mechanics from free patch which are hated by everyone).

Also, everyone, please, can we stop with this "they are legally part of your empire" bullshit? I don´t recall Palaiologoi emperors asking Ottoman sultans to support their propositions to change laws. It´s just stupid mechanic and we should be happy that Conclave removed it.

 

[Cat Crusade]

Your empire claims the lands they occupy as part of itself by law. Thus the laws of your empire apply in their kingdoms too. It goes both ways, they get to vote, you get to have a legal excuse to end their nominal independence.

 

[Abathorn]

Ok, I think I understand now.

Yes, it looks stupid to me too. I will consider buy the new DLC.

Thank you for everyone.

 

[yezhanquan]

Also, everyone, please, can we stop with this "they are legally part of your empire" bullshit? I don´t recall Palaiologoi emperors asking Ottoman sultans to support their propositions to change laws. It´s just stupid mechanic and we should be happy that Conclave removed it.

That's because de jure vassals of a different religion cannot vote on your laws. That has always been the case.

 

[DorlasAnther]

That's because de jure vassals of a different religion cannot vote on your laws. That has always been the case.

OK, another version: I don´t recall Palaiologoi emperors asking Bulgarian tzars to support their propositions to change laws.

 

[Conan The Librarian]

What does WAD mean?

 

[StarSword]

What does WAD mean?

"Working as designed".

 

[macd21]

What does WAD mean?

Working As Designed.

 

[Conan The Librarian]

Thanks.

 

[Conan The Librarian]

While we're on the topic, what is RNJesus?

 

[StarSword]

While we're on the topic, what is RNJesus?

It's a pun on RNG, i.e. random number generator. Another game I played had a similar forum joke about praying to the Random Number God.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

I don't understand. There are not part of my kingdom, there are truly independent I didn't conquer any of them.

The main historical example everyone knows is William, Duke of Normandy, vassal to the King of France. He conquered England and other places, and after Stamford bridge, was both King of England and duke of Normandy. In game, that means he was de facto independent as king of England but de jure he was still duke within France and would get a vote if France was elective.