For me, Sich Rada seems similar with Tribal Federation but only later has estates. Is there any reason for not giving estates to Sich Rada?
Why doesn’t Sich Rada(Cossack government) have estates?
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They are an estate. Can't give the Cossacks the Cossack estate.
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I recall that right. This can't be WAD. You should report this as a bug maybe.
I mean, they don’t have any estates.
I didn’t see that post. Thanks. But it seems that they changed their mind in developing process..
Are you guys serious? We are talking about a government right now not an estate. So according to you can't Marathas nor Rajputana have their own estates as well? Or breaking away Dhimmis? Since they are estates.. forever
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Of course I'm serious.Are you guys serious? We are talking about a government right now not an estate. So according to you can't Marathas nor Rajputana have their own estates as well? Or breaking away Dhimmis? Since they are estates.. forever
Based on what I know about Cossack hosts, Sich Rada having separate estates would be nonsensical and immersion-breaking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporozhian_Cossacks
This does not apply to the other examples you brought - if possibly only because I am rather ignorant on the topic of Marathas and Rajputs.
Can’t find critical difference between Cossack government and other republic which justifies a lack of estates.
Estates in EU4 aren’t what exactly existed at real history. Estates in EU4 are everywhere except some countries which have factions, are native, siberian, colony or trade city. Other countries even USA and tribal countries have them. If certain historical fact justifies a lack of estates in Cossack governments, then it should be exctremely clear for us.
Nah sorry we changed our mind. They already get the full bonus from the Cossack estate in their government. They are supposed to represent a group of freedom loving people on the Steppe who accept serfs fleeing from oppression. It would be weird for them to have a merchant or nobility class within their society. Clergy I can see the argument but for now they won't have any estates.
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Though they protected oppresed serfs but playing countries without estates makes me feel like oppressed..
That's why we need peasant estate. For Scandinavia, Dithmarshen and Sich Rada (and possibly some republics).
Since Sich Rada doesn't have estates as they are supposed to be a more free society, does it then make sense that they can get the "Noble Plot" event? The flavor text implies that it's the nobles of the society that's plotting, but there isn't nobility in Sich Rada then which nobility is it that's plotting?
Text of the event for reference:
Text of the event for reference:
This just isn't an accurate view of the cossack hetmanate, maybe the early cossack hosts, but certainly not the hetmanate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_Hetmanate#Society
Taking away estates from this government really is a heavy nerf imo and makes it very unappealing. As well as the cossack estate very very easily providing the same bonuses that the government type does. I don't see any reason to choose a cossack nation over Poland who can get the best benefits of the cossack government, on top of their already spectacular national ideas.
There certainly is an argument to be made that certain other countries should not have estates either.
That said, if you can't find a difference between a bunch of runaway serfs and freebooters living in a wild and, say, Venice or Pisa, I don't really know what to tell you.
After the Klmelnytsky uprisings, the Cossacks were much more than steppe peoples. Every estate that other eastern nations get, the Cossacks can easily be justified as having.
Not delegating any estates to Hetmanate is nonsense, of course. Even though Cossackdome started as a brotherhood, the Hetmanate later incorporated all ranks of nobility.
Whoever supports this decision is ignorant to the reason and doesn't know the history of Ukraine at all.
Whoever supports this decision is ignorant to the reason and doesn't know the history of Ukraine at all.
Yes, what even is an Ukraina?
Not knowing anything of the history of sich rada, how it worked etc I suggest everyone to take a step back. PDX is not saying that the sich rada, the hordes nor the english didn't have nobility, what they're saying is that nobility didn't work in a way that saw it fit as an estate in the game, maybe this is wrong but argue along those grounds, did a distinct nobility exist that held land in the cossack states? etc
Which is not in the game even after Cossacks DLC... As well as any realistic chance to make it due to Commonwealth usually having a separatable Zaporozhia as a Steppe terrain.
But having Zaporozhia ideas allows you to scornfully insult instead of respectfully disagree
No, they have a point about estates. They are definitely not fitting. Despite the fact that later Hetmanate became huge, encompassing more people and lands (but still nonexistent in game), it had no estate-like feature, instead having more faction-like system, primarily with stratocracy focus.
This said, not giving Sich Rada factions is truly bad. There are no reasons to not give them and in general is a thing that should be corrected.
Question is why there are no factions instead...