Why doesn't "Izumo" province produce gold?

[kaigiteki]

Iwami Ginzan Silver Mine locates in Izumo Province in Sanindo area, Japan region.
In 1309, Hiroyuki Ouchi found silver in this place. In 16c, the mine was more developed and in 17c the production of silver is almost equal to Potosi mine.
Japan had depended on silver of this mine to import products from China and Netherlands before the import restriction and the economic policy by Hakuseki Arai in 18C.
Why this important silver mine is missed?

 

[Mortheim]

Iwami Ginzan Silver Mine locates in Izumo Province in Sanindo area, Japan region.
In 1309, Hiroyuki Ouchi found silver in this place. In 16c, the mine was more developed and in 17c the production of silver is almost equal to Potosi mine.
Japan had depended on silver of this mine to import products from China and Netherlands before the import restriction and the economic policy by Hakuseki Arai in 18C.
Why this important silver mine is missed?

Maybe oversight or maybe balance.
Anyway, this could be buff for Japan. So, i'm all for it!

 

[Rikissa]

You might want to post this in the Suggestions forum

 

[Kapitalisti]

Doesn't Japan already have one province with "gold"? Having two might be a bit of a balance issue.

 

[grommile]

The contents of the history files indicate that they are aware there was a silver mine in Izumo province:

1639.8.4 = { trade_goods = gold } # Silver mine + Sakoku reduces sword demand
1693.1.1 = { trade_goods = fish } # Estimate, Japan stops silver export

Sadly, there is no event reflecting this, so if you play from the 1444 start date, Izumo will never be a gold province.

 

[gronak]

Doesn't Japan already have one province with "gold"? Having two might be a bit of a balance issue.

It would not be a balance issue, as Austria you can easily gain 2 more gold mines on top of the one you have then you can get another one in Kosovo which will likely be in the ottomans hands by this point. But if the player knows what they are doing, they could easily get 4 goldmines within say 20 years.

Japan is hugely under powered in EU4 and is in dire need of a buff.

Edit: The title says gold, but the post says silver. I am unsure of which he means, but either way it would help Japan.

 

[Homusubi]

Iwami Ginzan Silver Mine locates in Izumo Province in Sanindo area, Japan region.
In 1309, Hiroyuki Ouchi found silver in this place. In 16c, the mine was more developed and in 17c the production of silver is almost equal to Potosi mine.
Japan had depended on silver of this mine to import products from China and Netherlands before the import restriction and the economic policy by Hakuseki Arai in 18C.
Why this important silver mine is missed?

You're right to complain about this, although looking at the map Iwami Ginzan is actually in the Suo province (Iwami seems to be one of the very few provinces that has been split in the EUIV map).

It's likely that PDX didn't include it because of the gold mine in Kai. However, from a purely historical perspective, the Kai gold mines were far less important than Iwami Ginzan, so simply moving the 'gold' province to Suo (while reducing its overall base tax and so forth) would be a better idea. It's not so clear gameplay-wise: it's possible that the reason Kai has a gold mine is to give the historically significant Takeda a chance of winning against its more powerful neighbours. The problem with this is that Kai in 1444 couldn't support as big an army as it could in 1570, because Takeda Shingen's infrastructure projects hadn't happened yet.

Or just have two gold mines I guess, with some sort of event halfway through depleting the Kai mine and perhaps finding the gold deposit on Sado (the island off of Echigo).

 

[kaigiteki]

You're right to complain about this, although looking at the map Iwami Ginzan is actually in the Suo province (Iwami seems to be one of the very few provinces that has been split in the EUIV map).

It's likely that PDX didn't include it because of the gold mine in Kai. However, from a purely historical perspective, the Kai gold mines were far less important than Iwami Ginzan, so simply moving the 'gold' province to Suo (while reducing its overall base tax and so forth) would be a better idea. It's not so clear gameplay-wise: it's possible that the reason Kai has a gold mine is to give the historically significant Takeda a chance of winning against its more powerful neighbours. The problem with this is that Kai in 1444 couldn't support as big an army as it could in 1570, because Takeda Shingen's infrastructure projects hadn't happened yet.

Or just have two gold mines I guess, with some sort of event halfway through depleting the Kai mine and perhaps finding the gold deposit on Sado (the island off of Echigo).

Suo province is right place. I had a mistake.
And also I agree your opinion.

 

[Pintu]

Edit: The title says gold, but the post says silver. I am unsure of which he means, but either way it would help Japan.

Silver and Gold are the same trade good in EUIV, because of reasons

 

[gronak]

Silver and Gold are the same trade good in EUIV, because of reasons

I am not thinking straight today! I should have realised this >.<

I think it would be nice if gold and silver were separate trade goods.

 

[grommile]

Silver and Gold are the same trade good in EUIV, because of reasons

Given you say "because of reasons", I invite you to offer your explanation of why it's a bad decision

 

[Magnificent Genius]

Silver and Gold are the same trade good in EUIV, because of reasons

Actually, Gold seems to be any extremely valuable mineral. The gold mine in La Mancha is actually a mercury mine iirc.

 

[Velorian]

Actually, Gold seems to be any extremely valuable mineral. The gold mine in La Mancha is actually a mercury mine iirc.

Not to mention Konigsberg which is just a massive amber deposit.

 

[Pintu]

Given you say "because of reasons", I invite you to offer your explanation of why it's a bad decision

You get me wrong, it's not bad, or at least, not a gamekiller for me and i understand the decision behind it but it seems a little bit weird (and maybe lazy) to me, thats all

 

[Kapitalisti]

It would not be a balance issue, as Austria you can easily gain 2 more gold mines on top of the one you have then you can get another one in Kosovo which will likely be in the ottomans hands by this point. But if the player knows what they are doing, they could easily get 4 goldmines within say 20 years.

I didn't say that I'd consider it a balance issue, I meant that one possible reason the devs haven't included this in the game is because they think it wouldn't be properly balanced.

 

[Grand Historian]

The Silver at Ishimi in Iwami was of vital importance to the Ouchi clan - said to be as almost as important as their trade with China. The Amago finally seizing the mines in 1537 was a huge boon for their war machine as well.

However, I wouldn't say changing Suo's tradegood to Gold is the solution - Suo, or, rather, Yamaguchi, was famous for its Silk production during the first century or so of the game. Rather, I say make Iwami it's own (low-dev) province so the mines can properly trade ownership like they did historically.

 

[Republic of Mercury]

Actually, Gold seems to be any extremely valuable mineral. The gold mine in La Mancha is actually a mercury mine iirc.

Sometimes I wish people would mine their own business.

Less off-topic; how high do people generally develop their gold provinces?

 

[pikaemperor]

Rather, I say make Iwami it's own (low-dev) province so the mines can properly trade ownership like they did historically.

But than the mine would never be relevant for no common sense players and the game already has too many provinces.

 

[Homusubi]

The Silver at Ishimi in Iwami was of vital importance to the Ouchi clan - said to be as almost as important as their trade with China. The Amago finally seizing the mines in 1537 was a huge boon for their war machine as well.

However, I wouldn't say changing Suo's tradegood to Gold is the solution - Suo, or, rather, Yamaguchi, was famous for its Silk production during the first century or so of the game. Rather, I say make Iwami it's own (low-dev) province so the mines can properly trade ownership like they did historically.

Well, that's the ideal (or maybe just fiddle with the borders so Iwami doesn't end up in Suo?), but this is Paradox we're talking about here.

But than the mine would never be relevant for no common sense players and the game already has too many provinces.

I don't use Common Sense and still go after goldmines whenever I can.

 

[Grand Historian]

Well, that's the ideal (or maybe just fiddle with the borders so Iwami doesn't end up in Suo?), but this is Paradox we're talking about here.

That could work in lieu of an actual overhaul, yes.