why doesnt german get cores in all of east europe when forming greater german reich

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Byzantium and Rome are totally bonkers in the game. Großdeutsches Reich having cores everywhere in the occupied lands would be very similarly absurd. Not to mention the Habsburg Empire rising from the nothing or Mexico recoring South-Western USA. These are all very absurd.

How coring in HoI4 actually works:

 
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Needing to Alsace-Lorraine to form Germany in Vic2 is not the same thing as Germany coring Alsace-Lorraine by 70 day fiat in HOI4 during the war. Vic 2 is also a game with a much longer time span, and it can take some effort to even form Germany.

Coring removes all resistance and all compliance issues, period. End of story. Your government has 100% efficient control over the region in terms of tax and conscription and law enforcement and a whole list of other things.

That's not nearly the same thing as "We speak the same language and you like us."
Not to mention, Vic2 has pops to represent the ethnolinguistic differences in all areas, the actual "core" system there doesn't represent population dynamics at all, the complete opposite of HoI4.
 
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i dont get why everyone on this forum hates germany so much

You do know that Germany is the most played nation in HOI4, right? Even among people in the community it's probably the #1 country played.

Maybe they don't hate Germany at all. Maybe they want Germany to be more plausible or more of a challenge.
 
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i dont get why everyone on this forum hates germany so much

Coring everything would be fantasy, simple as that. The current game mechanics are easy on you enough.

And yeah Rome, Byzantium and the such should not core anything either. Should give a PP bonus but that's it.
 
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In game coring means full integration of the local population which is quite different to historical policies.
Well, we can argue about that, and I certainly would think that given how NS policy regarded Poles and what was actually done in Poznan province, it would either totally misrepresent war crimes or violate PDX policy if allowed in game.
I mean, Integration of alsace is Stretching it a lot already. Poznan would be another ballpark still.
 

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@Zauberelefant no im going in line with all the other broken fantasy op superformable nations. if people want they can disable it in MP but austrohungary roman empire uk empire they all get huge cores everywhere. coring has nothing to do with ethnicity popular support. its a matter if the nation considers the land a part of their natural borders. whats defined as a core is your ability to hold it. in difference to occupied is active war contested zone. coring should be only available in peacetime. gamewise coring allows full buildingslot and manpower recruitment. its not some fantasy hitler actually considered this a reality and wanted a united europe.
multiethnic empires have been the norm. aushung had slovaks, german, hungarian, bosnian etc. uk have scottish welsh irish.
why does everyone think they have a say in how i want to play the game.
irl germany had recruitment of french, norwegian, ukranian soldiers you didnt have to be ethnically germany to join wars
off topic i think scandinavia should get cores on ingermanland and baltic states estonia latvia and holstein
 
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Formables that grant cores without any sort of close cultural bonds in the populace of both places, or historical basis in the first place, have always been ridiculous. There's little reason to add more of them, especially concerning nations whose manpower pools are fairly deep to begin with.
 
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In my opinion, Germany should get the cores on all the territories of the WW1 that it has lost and obtain the "general governorate of poland" as a special reichkommissariat (?). NOn is asked to make every single "state" annexed by germany core! Germany, in one of the many peaces proposed at churchill there was only the recognition of the annexation of Gdansk, Lorraine Alsace and Luxembourg (perhaps also Poznan and the other) and in exchange it would have withdrawn from France and other areas. Basically he asked only 3/5 provinces (he proposed this peace numerous times before 1941) but the UK always refused. And therefore only those territories should be CORE! The rest should all be puppets. Hitler, I remember, WASN'T A STUPID! You can say it all, but NOT THAT IT WAS A STUPID! A fool does not turn you into a state with a third world economy into a nation capable of kicking Poland, Yugoslavia, France, Greece, getting 20km from Moscow and resisting almost 6 years in war until the enemy enters it in capital! Sorry, if you play any non-hoi4 paradox, if you have a horrible economy and go to war, collapse during the war! So, we can say that economically Germany was strong and therefore 3/5 provinces made core, they do not make Germany OP, because, it will still have all the northern France at stake to keep under control, all of Poland, Yugoslavia, Greece , denmark, all Russia out of the reichkommissariat!
 
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@Zauberelefant no im going in line with all the other broken fantasy op superformable nations. if people want they can disable it in MP but austrohungary roman empire uk empire they all get huge cores everywhere. coring has nothing to do with ethnicity popular support. its a matter if the nation considers the land a part of their natural borders. whats defined as a core is your ability to hold it. in difference to occupied is active war contested zone. coring should be only available in peacetime. gamewise coring allows full buildingslot and manpower recruitment. its not some fantasy hitler actually considered this a reality and wanted a united europe.
multiethnic empires have been the norm. aushung had slovaks, german, hungarian, bosnian etc. uk have scottish welsh irish.
why does everyone think they have a say in how i want to play the game.
irl germany had recruitment of french, norwegian, ukranian soldiers you didnt have to be ethnically germany to join wars
off topic i think scandinavia should get cores on ingermanland and baltic states estonia latvia and holstein

You would have a point...If Nazi Germany actually would have been a multi ethnic empire (hint: not really) and if there had not been an actual try to "core" Poznan, the Nazi way...

And we have a say in how you want to play the game because you are making an actual effort to discuss that on the Internet, so like you are literally asking for input.
Like, If you secretly played a Fantasy were benign Hitler could convince the Poles to become aryan nazis, your thing.
If you articulate that idea out loud, whoops, there is feedback.

Be careful in the Internet, kids, lest people voice their opinions....
 
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@Zauberelefant no im going in line with all the other broken fantasy op superformable nations. if people want they can disable it in MP but austrohungary roman empire uk empire they all get huge cores everywhere. coring has nothing to do with ethnicity popular support. its a matter if the nation considers the land a part of their natural borders. whats defined as a core is your ability to hold it. in difference to occupied is active war contested zone. coring should be only available in peacetime. gamewise coring allows full buildingslot and manpower recruitment. its not some fantasy hitler actually considered this a reality and wanted a united europe.
multiethnic empires have been the norm. aushung had slovaks, german, hungarian, bosnian etc. uk have scottish welsh irish.
why does everyone think they have a say in how i want to play the game.
irl germany had recruitment of french, norwegian, ukranian soldiers you didnt have to be ethnically germany to join wars
off topic i think scandinavia should get cores on ingermanland and baltic states estonia latvia and holstein
While multi ethnic empires are the norm because surprise taking over lots of land you'll eventually stumble over other peoples i still don't think Germany should get cores on Poland, due to their policies. Maybe the german kaiserreich if they treated the poles better and did not try to germanize them.
 

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While multi ethnic empires are the norm because surprise taking over lots of land you'll eventually stumble over other peoples i still don't think Germany should get cores on Poland, due to their policies. Maybe the german kaiserreich if they treated the poles better and did not try to germanize them.
Which, surprise, they did! (On a general note, Hitler was pretty much continuing imperial policies, so his policy was reactionary, not revolutionary, as self styled.)

Poznan should not within PDX policy and history become German core territory.
Simple as that. People were actually harmed in Poznan because of German Imperialism, while no such thing can be Said about a 1940s byzantium, actual latin speaking roman empire or caliphat of al-andalus.
Meme things are for actual alt-history, the more far fetched, the better.
Trying to apologize actual nazi policy by having a game mechanic warp what actually happened is not ok.
 
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Well, that went downhill unbelievably fast.

Given how close the thread is moving towards topics we can't discuss anyway, and the fact that we're not big fans of pointless personal attacks in this community, I'm going to just close the thread.
 
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