why doesnt german get cores in all of east europe when forming greater german reich

[alexman]

also considering hist orical red veil shouldnt sovjet get bet t er version of same colored puppet s
id like an option to form greater naions as collaboration puppet annex all of scandinavia and release it as group

 

[KDEstroy]

The majority of the population in eastern Europe were in fact not German or "Aryan". The Nazis had a rather unfavorable opinion of the people living in Poland, Ukraine, and other parts of eastern Europe. The feeling was mutual, as the eastern Europeans generally disliked the German troops within their borders. As a result, the only way Germany could get "cores" on these places would be to remove most or all of the original population. This would imply some policy which cannot be discussed on the forums and will never be added to Hoi4.

 

[--Yigito123--]

TBH, I think the actual problem is the fact that other formables that would realistically also only be a name change (Like the Roman and Byzantine Empires) get cores on all claimed states. If they didn't, then GGR would not be the odd exception.

 

[walt526]

Aside from the reasons mentioned in terms of historical accuracy (a rabbit hole that I suggest not be explored further, lest the thread run afoul of the forum rules), giving cores to Germany would give it a major industrial and manpower boost that would give them a decisive advantage against the Allies, USSR, etc. The new resistance system does a good job of debuffing them on that front, IMHO.

 

[alexman]

people argue for historical accuracy when playing alternate history and making roman empire and byzantine, uk can form the empire, france eu. everyone gets supercores everywhere.
the descision is already locked for germany by defeating both allies and sovjet so no its not a unbalance instustrial powerhouse. u need to have annexed both paris and stalingrad

 

[Dlin369]

I wish the cores for formables can get another look - maybe boosts for compliance or just claims instead for a lot of them. I also wish you can return claims to other nations via the return core tab

 

[Spelaren]

Nah, there are no germans there. I guess Germany could get a core on eastern Switzerland since it's mostly german speaking. And south Tyrol from Italy to make Italy and Germany have a small schism between em.

 

[myzael]

The Nazis had a rather unfavorable opinion of the people living in Poland, Ukraine, and other parts of eastern Europe.

Understatement of the month.

 

[Vityviktor]

I think the current core mechanics are not the best, specially in a game like HOI4. They're far too static. But, it's also true that a "coring" mechanic maybe couldn't work very well in a game set in WW2 (and knowing German plans and actions in Eastern Europe, like @KDEstroy said). The same can be said about anything related to population, culture, nationality, etc.

So, about the Greater Germanic Reich, I think it could unlock something like being able to set more Reichskommissariat(s) in the conquered Soviet territories, like Kaukasus or Moskowien. But, again, I think the whole Reichskommissariat thing would need a major rework.

 

[Vlad123]

I think the current core mechanics are not the best, specially in a game like HOI4. They're far too static. But, it's also true that a "coring" mechanic maybe couldn't work very well in a game set in WW2 (and knowing German plans and actions in Eastern Europe, like @KDEstroy said). The same can be said about anything related to population, culture, nationality, etc.

So, about the Greater Germanic Reich, I think it could unlock something like being able to set more Reichskommissariat(s) in the conquered Soviet territories, like Kaukasus or Moskowien. But, again, I think the whole Reichskommissariat thing would need a major rework.

why a reworking? However, in a mod I did for my fascist / nazi russia series. Russia recognized generalgovernment as "true poland" and unlocked the focus (focus because I don't know how to make decisions yet) to make east poland core. while germany got core on poznan, gdansk and a third territory that I forget now but the rest of poland was "general governorate". The idea of Switzerland can be linked to my proposal to divide Switzerland into three (Italian, French and German, perhaps avoiding border gore) because, tannebaum, it was discarded because Switzerland was more useful as a banker than as a target.
Returning to the Topic, I read once that Hitler was only interested in annexing (as a peace treaty) only Alsace Lorraine and Luxembourg in the west (and there is already a focus to make it the core) while in the east I think Hitler would have preferred to make a Polish puppet and away, via various puppets

 

[kimidf]

within that revision of Reichskommissar a small tree of its own could be inserted as the Chinese warlords as it is being in some way


Also as I once said the Germans should some kind of decision to win Cores in the Silesia and Polish Poznan that many German nationalists considered as German core territory and the Nazis considered it part of the Reich as opposed to the territory
Polish general government

 

[Áurum]

also considering hist orical red veil shouldnt sovjet get bet t er version of same colored puppet s
id like an option to form greater naions as collaboration puppet annex all of scandinavia and release it as group

Because Eastern Europeans aren't Germans?

Btw, Reichskommissariats should be improved, many are missing and their borders are very wrong. They should get manpower penalties for being colonial states too.

 

[Dlin369]

Because Eastern Europeans aren't Germans?

Btw, Reichskommissariats should be improved, many are missing and their borders are very wrong. They should get manpower penalties for being colonial states too.

Reichkommissariats do actually get pretty harsh manpower penalties - some 50% less manpower.

I think Reichkomissariats should start off with much fewer cores and very harsh debuffs and then like a previous poster said they can go through a small focus tree to make a semi-functional government in 2-3 years. Or better yet, they should make it so cores can have resistance (but have an easier time achieving higher compliance)

 

[Secret Master]

For what it's worth, I hate the cores handed out by some of the focus trees for alternate history paths. So, when I say Germany shouldn't get the cores being discussed, I am saying it in the context of not wanting the Byzantine Empire to get cores, either.

 

[kimidf]

For what it's worth, I hate the cores handed out by some of the focus trees for alternate history paths. So, when I say Germany shouldn't get the cores being discussed, I am saying it in the context of not wanting the Byzantine Empire to get cores, either.

I think they are two very different things. Let's remember the Byzantine empire centuries ago it had disappeared but certain territories had belonged to the Germans only a couple of decades before, as in the case of Polish Silesia.

 

[kettyo]

Byzantium and Rome are totally bonkers in the game. Großdeutsches Reich having cores everywhere in the occupied lands would be very similarly absurd. Not to mention the Habsburg Empire rising from the nothing or Mexico recoring South-Western USA. These are all very absurd.

 

[DukofDeth]

With regard to the reichkommiserats, it does irk me that if you lack one state - something that is easiuly lost during the peace conferences - they can't get formed. They should be dynamic, too - sure, some states would be required, but others could be added if available, and if not, so be it.

 

[Secret Master]

I think they are two very different things. Let's remember the Byzantine empire centuries ago it had disappeared but certain territories had belonged to the Germans only a couple of decades before, as in the case of Polish Silesia.

In the incredibly short time frame of the game, I don't think they are that different. No one should be coring much of anything in 12 years.

I even think Alsace-Lorraine (cored by German focus) is too much.

 

[Vlad123]

In the incredibly short time frame of the game, I don't think they are that different. No one should be coring much of anything in 12 years.

I even think Alsace-Lorraine (cored by German focus) is too much.

I repeat the Lorraine Alsace is German because it has so many Germans and it belonged to you Germans up to 40 years before, yes and no, one generation, maximum two! I remember that in other paradox games, NEED, the Lorraine Alsace to make Germany!

 

[Secret Master]

I repeat the Lorraine Alsace is German because it has so many Germans and it belonged to you Germans up to 40 years before, yes and no, one generation, maximum two! I remember that in other paradox games, NEED, the Lorraine Alsace to make Germany!

Needing to Alsace-Lorraine to form Germany in Vic2 is not the same thing as Germany coring Alsace-Lorraine by 70 day fiat in HOI4 during the war. Vic 2 is also a game with a much longer time span, and it can take some effort to even form Germany.

Coring removes all resistance and all compliance issues, period. End of story. Your government has 100% efficient control over the region in terms of tax and conscription and law enforcement and a whole list of other things.

That's not nearly the same thing as "We speak the same language and you like us."