Why does this guy has 0 threat, please explain
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Well, it depends largely on how recently they did those things, as threat decays. I'm not sure what time frame you started on, but performing that level of expansion by 940 AD, as shown in your picture, is not horribly aggressive if spread out over many years.
You can bet, however, that if they succeed in that invasion, there would be a broad defensive pact against them, as the larger they get - the more threatened people get by particular actions. I've had empires which can't take a single province without causing a nearly global pact against me.
You can bet, however, that if they succeed in that invasion, there would be a broad defensive pact against them, as the larger they get - the more threatened people get by particular actions. I've had empires which can't take a single province without causing a nearly global pact against me.
The decay rate is rather high so even if he did everything like in one year, it would be decay in less than 19 in-game-years.
What if his question is more philosophical? Like, rather than asking mechanically how treat works, he wants to understand WHY threat decays so quickly?
If that's the case, the answer is quite simple: Paradox players like to blob out into a huge nation and got upset when Conclave was released, because massive expansion would make defenses pacts form against them, so now threat decay is very high so that they complain less.
If that's the case, the answer is quite simple: Paradox players like to blob out into a huge nation and got upset when Conclave was released, because massive expansion would make defenses pacts form against them, so now threat decay is very high so that they complain less.
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Yeah, threat seems like a non-issue until you start gobbling up whole kingdoms/empires through inheritance.
Which in itself seems like an odd choice if you ask me.
Expanding through the intended 'slow' intrigue based mechanics (marriage, plotting, inherited & de jure claims etc) should generate far less threat than expanding through lazy holy wars and claim fabrication.
In my current game it seemed really weird that voluntary vassalisation of all the Irish counts immediately upon forming Britannia generated *far* more threat than all of my prior wars of conquest. Perhaps forming Britannia should have generated threat, but after the fact, claiming what's rightfully mine seems completely reasonable and shouldn't worry the emperor of Francia (against whom I have no CB)
This leads into another point; having claims & CBs (as a multiple of realm size) should be what generates threat, not actual expansion.
Which in itself seems like an odd choice if you ask me.
Expanding through the intended 'slow' intrigue based mechanics (marriage, plotting, inherited & de jure claims etc) should generate far less threat than expanding through lazy holy wars and claim fabrication.
In my current game it seemed really weird that voluntary vassalisation of all the Irish counts immediately upon forming Britannia generated *far* more threat than all of my prior wars of conquest. Perhaps forming Britannia should have generated threat, but after the fact, claiming what's rightfully mine seems completely reasonable and shouldn't worry the emperor of Francia (against whom I have no CB)
This leads into another point; having claims & CBs (as a multiple of realm size) should be what generates threat, not actual expansion.
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I've had that happen too. After a gravelkind inheritance my brother requested independence with a duchy in my kingdom's de jure borders, I petitioned him to be my vassal and instantly got to defensive pact threat from 0%
Threat is sometimes really stupid. I mean, as Roman Empire (formed with HRE in CKII+), I rapidly had a coalition spanning from the British Island to Mali, from Britanny to Persia including random Pagans and tribal peoples. First, how did they made contact ? The Malian and Russian used their teleporter systems ? And then , how can the Abbassid Empire, the Malian States and Russian tribes could react THAT quickly when I decide to conquer Brest ? By the time they get the news I should have had the time to take over Britanny 3 times !
I mean, I am not necessarily against this feature, but that's ridiculous, really .
I mean, I am not necessarily against this feature, but that's ridiculous, really .
I suppose you could make the same case that when you declare war you can instantly raise your vassal levies throughout the realm on the same day.
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Fair point to make . But you can explain this by saying you sent them a message to come there or something before the war (which is relatively historical ). But that threat idea is kind of stupid. I don't remember the Mongols were attacked by a global coalition. That was quite the opposite if I recall correctly.