Why does the AI stand around and watch it's country burn?

[Pugman]

I remember seeing this months ago before I took a break from playing this for a while. Apparently after a couple DLCs it's never been fixed. I just watched Sweden not move their army for 10 years as two wars were fought (they were under a PU with me) and as Finnish rebels sacked half their country. They had way more than enough troops but just would not move. I've seen this with Aragon and other as well. Sometimes there's just a bunch of single regiment armies standing around doing nothing.

I see lots of dev diaries about new DLCs coming out. Are they ever going to fix this? If not I think I'm done buying DLCs.

 

[blackchoas]

Idk why does the AI sit around sieging while the French army slowly picks off stacks instead of grouping together and crushing the French army?

Why does the AI always attack into mountains when it is a bad idea, especially when its a bad idea, like seriously I'm starting to think the Austrian AI was just designed to be dumber than the French one

 

[demoix]

It's major bug for AI, not only you have this problem. Everything is fine in early games, but when reformation and colonisation stars then a lot of AI armies become frozen/idle. 1 year passed from game realease, but they still can't fix it completely. I reported this bug many times, on 1.7 patch when I reported Wiz promissed they will fix it on next patch. But again.. I hear this promises many times.. So anyway now we got what we got, just waiting

 

[ArtWolF]

The AI freeze is a known issue. Saving and reloading the game usually fixes it. But yeah, I'm also hoping that the devs will get to fixing this eventually.

 

[zodium]

It's a freeze in the invasion AI. If you use "aiview" in console and mouseover the stack of a frozen AI country, you'll see that stack is "Invading" some nonsense far-off province.

 

[Pugman]

The AI freeze is a known issue. Saving and reloading the game usually fixes it. But yeah, I'm also hoping that the devs will get to fixing this eventually.

I exited the game totally and reloaded. Nothing worked. Is this what people were referring to when they said Johan said the AI wasn't important (or made some comment)? What are we supposed to find a human player for every country? Guess it's time to put this thing back on the virtual shelf. I'll come back to the forums and ask if it's fixed before I spend any more on DLCs. The game is broken.

 

[Sophotrates]

I exited the game totally and reloaded. Nothing worked. Is this what people were referring to when they said Johan said the AI wasn't important (or made some comment)? What are we supposed to find a human player for every country? Guess it's time to put this thing back on the virtual shelf. I'll come back to the forums and ask if it's fixed before I spend any more on DLCs. The game is broken.

Broken? Can you really say that with a straight face? Really, this bug doesn't happen frequently and reloading always fixes this here. And Johan's statement about the AI was taken without the context and pops up every time something is wrong with the AI. It should just be forgotten.

 

[zodium]

I exited the game totally and reloaded. Nothing worked. Is this what people were referring to when they said Johan said the AI wasn't important (or made some comment)? What are we supposed to find a human player for every country? Guess it's time to put this thing back on the virtual shelf. I'll come back to the forums and ask if it's fixed before I spend any more on DLCs. The game is broken.

Upload a bug report with your save so it can get fixed. It won't get fixed if no one reports it, that's for sure.

 

[demoix]

I exited the game totally and reloaded. Nothing worked. Is this what people were referring to when they said Johan said the AI wasn't important (or made some comment)? What are we supposed to find a human player for every country? Guess it's time to put this thing back on the virtual shelf. I'll come back to the forums and ask if it's fixed before I spend any more on DLCs. The game is broken.

Johan really said that? If so, then +1000 rage against Johan and +1000 revolt risk against Paradox

Broken? Can you really say that with a straight face? Really, this bug doesn't happen frequently and reloading always fixes this here. And Johan's statement about the AI was taken without the context and pops up every time something is wrong with the AI. It should just be forgotten.

In games like EU4 AI is one of MOST important things, how you can say let's reload and reload every 1-2 years of game with a straight face?
First - reloading game WILL NOT FIX THIS BUG.
Second - maybe you are one of those who never finishing grand campaign to 1821, if yes so you do not see this bug frequently. On mid-late game AI just become idle offten.
Third - if everything works as it should then no one will complain about this problem.

Upload a bug report with your save so it can get fixed. It won't get fixed if no one reports it, that's for sure.

This bug reported thousand times, but still....

 

[zodium]

This bug reported thousand times, but still....

If reloading isn't fixing it, then it's obviously not the well-known freeze bug, but a rarer and unknown variant. Report it.

Also, while Johan really did say that, it was in the context of a specific mechanic change (truce timers) where AI is really not a factor. Bitterposters ran with it as confirmation of all their preconceived notions about PDS development process and design philosophy.

 

[Beagá]

Went into a coaltion war versus Russia and the ottomans merrily kept a 51k stack with a 4-4-2-0 general idle.

Reloading didn´t fix either.

Game breaking? Depending on the stakes, yes.

 

[TimFisher]

I've kept my stack idle during a war if it suits my greater strategy.

When I was playing England and Normandy rebels popped, I did nothing because I wanted to spin off Normandy without using up a diplomatic relation slot to do it. That's how you do it. Yeah it took them 3 years, but I wasn't in any hurry.

When you're preparing for a war that you need manpower for, you don't use up your manpower fighting in a coalition against an enemy you care nothing about. I would gladly use my navy to help the coalition, and even my mercenaries. But I won't use up my manpower, so my standing army does just that--stands there and does nothing.

Maybe the AI is more advanced that you give credit for?

 

[Beagá]

Maybe you´re defending BS? You think it makes sense for the AI to keep a 51k stack idle in a coalition war versus a RIVAL?

 

[demoix]

I've kept my stack idle during a war if it suits my greater strategy.

When I was playing England and Normandy rebels popped, I did nothing because I wanted to spin off Normandy without using up a diplomatic relation slot to do it. That's how you do it. Yeah it took them 3 years, but I wasn't in any hurry.

When you're preparing for a war that you need manpower for, you don't use up your manpower fighting in a coalition against an enemy you care nothing about. I would gladly use my navy to help the coalition, and even my mercenaries. But I won't use up my manpower, so my standing army does just that--stands there and does nothing.

Maybe the AI is more advanced that you give credit for?

I understand that you trying to find solution of this problem, but please... AI is not hardcoded to think like human and do not save manpower during war or do not fights rebels becouse one of country AI's have exclusive strategy to become idle. If you look at bug forums you can see a lot of examples with videos and pics, for example russia in peace time, have about 300k army but can't handle against 20-30k rebels of all over country becouse of frozen armies bug. It's a bug that it

 

[Pugman]

Broken? Can you really say that with a straight face? Really, this bug doesn't happen frequently and reloading always fixes this here. And Johan's statement about the AI was taken without the context and pops up every time something is wrong with the AI. It should just be forgotten.

I can absolutely say it with a straight face. If I put 10 hours into a game only to be unable to complete it because one of the major powers goes kaput then I call that broken. And again, saving and reloading did *not* fix this. It didn't fix it months ago either when I noticed it then. I have a hard time believing this has not been reported already but I guess I'll upload a save anyway. I understand there are going to be bugs and I'm tolerant of that. But a major bug like this going unresolved for months as multiple DLCs are released is inexcusable.

 

[Wizzington]

The reason it isn't fixed is that it isn't one single bug. I've fixed multiple causes of it, but obviously I haven't gotten all of them yet. It probably won't be completely fixed until I rewrite the invasion AI (which I hope to do soon), but in the meanwhile any reproducable save scenarios would certainly help.

 

[Pugman]

It's a freeze in the invasion AI. If you use "aiview" in console and mouseover the stack of a frozen AI country, you'll see that stack is "Invading" some nonsense far-off province.

And I don't think this is it. This situation I think would only happen during war time. They are still frozen at peace time and won't go after rebels.

EDIT: Wiz I posted this before seeing your response. I have a save of Sweden being frozen during war time and another during peace time (against rebels). I'll upload the peace time one unless you tell me otherwise.

 

[Freudia]

And I don't think this is it. This situation I think would only happen during war time. They are still frozen at peace time and won't go after rebels.

EDIT: Wiz I posted this before seeing your response. I have a save of Sweden being frozen during war time and another during peace time (against rebels). I'll upload the peace time one unless you tell me otherwise.

I'd probably give him both, just to be safe.

 

[Pugman]

Bug report here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...I-Army-Freeze-Bug-(from-thread-in-main-forum)

 

[Pugman]

Thus far I haven't seen any acknowledgement that the bug I submitted even exists. Can others who have seen this please confirm it?